The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Sir Ralph]

Live in London and the South East. Already have the highest cost of living in the country. Aspired to do the right thing. We are after you.

The message is don’t aspire or succeed cause we will just take it off you, one way or another to pay for our failure #the socialist way

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/mansion-tax-risks-punishing-homeowners-opinion-5HjdMj5_2/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-london-homes-property-uturn-income-tax-manifesto-b1258149.html

[badgerx16]

Chancellors always "leak" potential tax and revenue changes to test the water, and media outlets, working sometimes on purely hypothetical fabrications, will emphasise or criticise depending on their agendas. We will only know what RR is actually planning to do on the day of the Budget.

Edited Saturday at 17:36 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

41 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Live in London and the South East. Already have the highest cost of living in the country. Aspired to do the right thing. We are after you.

The message is don’t aspire or succeed cause we will just take it off you, one way or another to pay for our failure #the socialist way

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/mansion-tax-risks-punishing-homeowners-opinion-5HjdMj5_2/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rachel-reeves-london-homes-property-uturn-income-tax-manifesto-b1258149.html

No, it's just pay a little bit more...

[tdmickey3]

8 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

One of them was one long, continuous, cringe worthy car crash of a moment.

And the other one was Liz fucking Truss!

Yep, how easy some forget

[egg]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Point where I have not answered a question. You don’t want to answer this because nobody has so far. 

I'm not wasting my time evidencing how you've wasted my time. 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

That for sure is an increase, but it feels like it's expected now, how ever much it shouldn't be. We shouldn't hide behind this as a stealth tax, we should grow some balls and increase taxes if that's what is needed (wanted), rather than drag the lower paid into more tax.

I agree. Labour have capitulated to their back benchers.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I'm not wasting my time evidencing how you've wasted my time. 

Brilliant - so no answer to anything. This is a complete cop out. It’s getting ridiculous now. I’ve given you the chance to call me out and show what a pleb I am but you can’t even do that. The question about Starmer therefore remains unanswered as there isn’t a reasonable response to it

Edited Saturday at 19:58 by Sir Ralph

[Gloucester Saint]

Whatever Reeves, Starmer, Sunak, Hunt, did or didn’t do since 2020, the culprit for the UK’s rapid economic decline (bar NI which is still in the Single Market) is absolutely clear https://www.export.org.uk/insights/trade-news/the-day-in-trade-wto-says-brexit-hitting-uk-trade-eu-nears-mercosur-deal-and-trump-eases-china-tariffs/

Headlines (Private Eye) include 17% fall in exports below pre-Covid levels when other G8 nations have increased by least as much. Investment has slumped since 2020 bar the odd blip. 

Boris isn’t excused along with Farage for driving Brexit and Truss…need I say more.

[sadoldgit]

19 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree. Labour have capitulated to their back benchers.

Sadly Cameron capitulated to his backbenchers, which is why we are screwed financially now.

[egg]

20 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Brilliant - so no answer to anything. This is a complete cop out. It’s getting ridiculous now. I’ve given you the chance to call me out and show what a pleb I am but you can’t even do that. The question about Starmer therefore remains unanswered as there isn’t a reasonable response to it

Correct. I though I'd made that clear. How I spend my time is a matter for me, and I choose not to waste my time addressing your non answers, or your questions. 

[badgerx16]

Do those people looking for savings in Government spending think that some of the many millions of pounds of public money given in subsidies and grants to corporate businesses might be clawed back ?

Edited Sunday at 16:29 by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

On 16/11/2025 at 01:57, egg said:

Absolutely. Freezing the allowance is cowardly. 

It’s self defeating as well and it’s pretty immoral, what ever side of the debate you’re on. It highlights the lack of financial education in the general population as well as it’s probably the most abhorrent way of generating more revenue from income tax. People considered  too low paid to pay tax, suddenly paying it, due to inflation rather than an upturn in their circumstances, yet the public doesn’t really see this for what it is. 
 

Whilst I don’t agree with it, increasing income tax, then cutting NI (which was the floated idea) is a more coherent approach if you want to raise tax, but soften the blow for the lowest paid. 

Edited Sunday at 21:41 by Lord Duckhunter

[Sir Ralph]

All rather sad

https://www.gulf-insider.com/britains-richest-young-entrepreneur-quits-uk/

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

All rather sad

https://www.gulf-insider.com/britains-richest-young-entrepreneur-quits-uk/

If he wants to avoid a potential tax on emigrating millionaires he could always stay in the UK.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If he wants to avoid a potential tax on emigrating millionaires he could always stay in the UK.

What a dumb comment. If you think this is all shits and giggles it’s not.  this is the type of guy funding the public sector with large tax payments. When the next government gets in and there is a budget deficit as a result I know what will be targeted and it won’t be more taxes so be careful what you wish for

The point is about the business environment being created. In the long run he wants to leave because he is young and thinks opportunities are better elsewhere. 

 

Edited yesterday at 10:28 by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If he wants to avoid a potential tax on emigrating millionaires he could always stay in the UK.

Nah, better if he fucked off, one less rich whinger to "feel sorry for" 

[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

All rather sad

https://www.gulf-insider.com/britains-richest-young-entrepreneur-quits-uk/

Man who wants to emigrate at some point in the future (probably when Labour are not in power), wants to emigrate.

Is he talking about next 3 and a half years, or after that? If next 3 and a half years he was emigrating anyway, so we should definitely tax him. Interesting that his business won't be moving though, so his assets will still be here and taxed. If he is that worried btw, it's already too late, the budget is next week and there is no way he'd be able to get his money and assets out of the country that quickly and easily.

Again, any financial advisor worth his salt will be telling people to stay put and just see out the Labour Government if they don't want to pay those taxes, especially those that only want to emigrate "one day".

 

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Nah, better if he fucked off, one less rich whinger to "feel sorry for" 

Who pays a lot of taxes and I imagine one way or another supports you indirectly. As I said before careful what you wish for. With these guys leaving the budget deficit won’t be addressed through tax cuts by the next government , it will be welfare and public sector cuts (people’s jobs).

[badgerx16]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

What a dumb comment. If you think this is all shits and giggles it’s not.  this is the type of guy funding the public sector with large tax payments. When the next government gets in and there is a budget deficit as a result I know what will be targeted and it won’t be more taxes so be careful what you wish for

The point is about the business environment being created. In the long run he wants to leave because he is young and thinks opportunities are better elsewhere. 

 

People with lots of money want to hang onto as much of it as possible for themselves. They at least can afford the clever accountants to assist in avoiding taxation.

This story is about 1 person, not an exodus.

Edited yesterday at 10:35 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

People with lots of money want to hang onto as much of it as possible for themselves. They at least can afford the clever wccountants to assist in avoiding taxation.

This story is about 1 person, not an exodus.

1 person that owns a third of the company, with 2 others. The company has over 1000 employees and is a tech company HQ'd in London.

The company is not moving and I don't think he will either. He just wants tax breaks, otherwise he wouldn't be moving to that Godforsaken hellhole that is Dubai.

Edited yesterday at 10:36 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

What I find so funny about all these stories is that they are stories of people, 18 months into a Labour Government, planning to leave. Personally, I'd like to see stories of people who HAVE left - wealth creators who have left and moved their businesses, rather than bankers and CEOs who just want to work and pay no income tax.

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

When the next government gets in and there is a budget deficit ...,.

 

You are aware of how much the deficit and Government debt grew under the Tories ?

Edited yesterday at 10:44 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

What a dumb comment. If you think this is all shits and giggles it’s not.  this is the type of guy funding the public sector with large tax payments. When the next government gets in and there is a budget deficit as a result I know what will be targeted and it won’t be more taxes so be careful what you wish for

The point is about the business environment being created. In the long run he wants to leave because he is young and thinks opportunities are better elsewhere. 

 

Don’t you honestly think that people have always left countries because of better business opportunities elsewhere? No mention from you of the doctors and nurses who left here for Australia during the austerity years? Cherry pick all you like, but we are where we are because of the Tory policies of the previous 14 years and there are consequences to trying to fix the mess and my heart isn’t going to bleed for those people who have made their money here and enjoyed the benefits that this country offers buggering off elsewhere. We were told that this country would flourish when we left the EU. How’s that working for us?

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Who pays a lot of taxes and I imagine one way or another supports you indirectly. As I said before careful what you wish for. With these guys leaving the budget deficit won’t be addressed through tax cuts by the next government , it will be welfare and public sector cuts (people’s jobs).

You do talk such utter shit...

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

You are aware of how much the deficit and Government debt grew under the Tories ?

I didn’t say the Tories did a good job (at the end they were a mess) but they didn’t scare business like the current lot. That is not a good thing, including for the public sector which relies on a vibrant private sector to be funded

Edited yesterday at 11:46 by Sir Ralph

[AlexLaw76]

Lots of talk about that asylum seekers will have valuable assets taken off them, as kind of part payment for their cost.

😂

not sure even reform proposed that. Anyway, no one believes this government would even uphold this in the extremely unlikely event the wider party does not block it. 
 

the slow march to exiting the ECHR continues 

Edited yesterday at 11:39 by AlexLaw76

[Sir Ralph]

51 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Don’t you honestly think that people have always left countries because of better business opportunities elsewhere? No mention from you of the doctors and nurses who left here for Australia during the austerity years? Cherry pick all you like, but we are where we are because of the Tory policies of the previous 14 years and there are consequences to trying to fix the mess and my heart isn’t going to bleed for those people who have made their money here and enjoyed the benefits that this country offers buggering off elsewhere. We were told that this country would flourish when we left the EU. How’s that working for us?

Yes I do think people have and will leave.

Stop deflecting. This page is about the Labour Party. Not the Tories who put party before people and I wasn’t a fan off, particularly in the latter years. I didn’t vote for brexit either.

The anti business policies of the Labour Party are a choice. They need to stop blaming everyone else and they are now accountable for their decisions. 

Edited yesterday at 11:42 by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

You do talk such utter shit...

That hurts coming from somebody who is clearly incredibly experienced in these matters. It cuts deep. They are big words but which part of what is said is “shit”?

Edited yesterday at 11:39 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of talk about that asylum seekers will have valuable assets taken off them, as kind of part payment for their cost.

😂

not sure even reform proposed that. Anyway, no one believes this government would even uphold this in the extremely unlikely event the wider party does not block it. 
 

the slow march to exiting the ECHR continues 

But what does leaving the ECHR enable us to do?

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

You do talk such utter shit...

He also doesn't answer any questions, just posts articles without reading them and then thinks they back up his opinions, which most of the time they don't.

[Sir Ralph]

https://moneyweek.com/personal-finance/tax/where-rich-relocate-to

When this backs up your own personal experience it’s difficult not to think this is happening.

Edited yesterday at 11:54 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

Some interesting articles on millionaires leaving the UK:

https://theconversation.com/millionaires-may-not-be-fleeing-the-uk-in-droves-but-there-are-reasons-these-stories-persist-259591

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/latest-news/uk-millionaire-poll-2025

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Some interesting articles on millionaires leaving the UK:

https://theconversation.com/millionaires-may-not-be-fleeing-the-uk-in-droves-but-there-are-reasons-these-stories-persist-259591

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/latest-news/uk-millionaire-poll-2025

Gary Stevenson don’t make me laugh. A list of “who are they?” In the business world! Might as well get fat Joe down the pub to write this. This shows your level of understanding. Goodbye

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/who-we-are

Edited yesterday at 11:59 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://moneyweek.com/personal-finance/tax/where-rich-relocate-to

Professor Trevor Williams, chairman and co-founder at FXGuard and former chief economist at Lloyds Bank commercial banking, highlighted that the UK’s economy has performed poorly over the past decade and said it is the only nation in world’s 10 wealthiest countries (W10) that has seen negative millionaire growth.

 

He said: “Since 2014, the number of resident millionaires in the UK dropped by 9% compared with the W10’s global average growth of +40%. Over the same period, the US saw a 78% increase in millionaires – the fastest wealth growth among the W10.”

 

Beyond higher taxes, Williams adds that Brexit has made the UK less attractive for wealthy individuals.

 

He said: “The UK’s attractiveness to the wealthy has also been eroded by the loss of some Euroclear activities since Brexit, leading to a shift elsewhere of market participants and capital.

 

“Furthermore, the UK has not rolled back financial regulation, which was anticipated by many when it left the EU’s single market and customs union. Instead, in a move widely criticised, the government shut down the UK Tier 1 Immigrant Investor Program in 2022, thereby eliminating an entry point for millionaires. This is in strong contrast to many other countries that have been acting to attract wealthy individuals.”

[sadoldgit]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of talk about that asylum seekers will have valuable assets taken off them, as kind of part payment for their cost.

😂

not sure even reform proposed that. Anyway, no one believes this government would even uphold this in the extremely unlikely event the wider party does not block it. 
 

the slow march to exiting the ECHR continues 

I hope that story isn’t true, but the fact that it has even been mentioned as a possibility is a sad indictment of what the Government thinks it has to do to show it is as tough as Farage and his cronies. Farage has done with immigration what he did with Brexit. It worked before and it is working for him again. It is also a sad indictment of the state of this country that Labour feel they have to go as low as Reform to counter them rather than going high and appealing to a better nature.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Gary Stevenson don’t make me laugh. A list of “who are they?” In the business world! This shows your level of understanding. Goodbye

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/who-we-are

You're turning into East End Nic more and more every day...

"The poll was conducted by Survation. It surveyed 511 millionaires living in the UK via online interview. The sample size reflects the small section of society that has been targeted. Nationally representative surveys of 2,000 respondents in size are used to gauge the attitudes of the full UK adult population, therefore 511 people is a sufficient sample for the size of this audience."

Edited yesterday at 12:00 by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You're turning into East End Nic more and more every day...

"The poll was conducted by Survation. It surveyed 511 millionaires living in the UK via online interview. The sample size reflects the small section of society that has been targeted. Nationally representative surveys of 2,000 respondents in size are used to gauge the attitudes of the full UK adult population, therefore 511 people is a sufficient sample for the size of this audience."

Not biased in their predetermined outcome whatsoever. Absolutely valueless evidence. wealth.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Not biased in their predetermined outcome whatsoever. Absolutely valueless evidence. wealth.

But the earlier story you posted was from the Telegraph, so is that also valueless then?

I also suggest you read the other article.

Edited yesterday at 12:12 by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

But the earlier story you posted was from the Telegraph, so is that also valueless then?

I also suggest you read the other article.

That was a matter of fact with quotes as to why the guy is leaving. The same article is covered in a number of business publications. 
 

There are levels of bias and predetermination - this is at the most extreme end possible. The group has been put together for a sole purpose. That’s why is has no value

[tdmickey3]

23 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Some interesting articles on millionaires leaving the UK:

https://theconversation.com/millionaires-may-not-be-fleeing-the-uk-in-droves-but-there-are-reasons-these-stories-persist-259591

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/latest-news/uk-millionaire-poll-2025

Dont post things like that it doesn't fit his la la land agenda

Edited yesterday at 12:17 by tdmickey3

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

That was a matter of fact with quotes as to why the guy is leaving. The same article is covered in a number of business publications. 
 

There are levels of bias and predetermination - this is at the most extreme end possible. The group has been put together for a sole purpose. That’s why is has no value

What about the other article?

It's a poll of 511 millionaires, so is as fact as your article.

Edited yesterday at 12:17 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I didn’t say the Tories did a good job (at the end they were a mess) but they didn’t scare business like the current lot. That is not a good thing, including for the public sector which relies on a vibrant private sector to be funded

Two words, Truss & Kwarteng. When it comes to scaring business, they take the biscuit.

Edited yesterday at 12:19 by badgerx16

[tdmickey3]

40 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

That hurts coming from somebody who is clearly incredibly experienced in these matters. It cuts deep. They are big words but which part of what is said is “shit”?

Most of what you say is but you have been put in your place several times so i dot need to explain

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

Most of what you say is but you have been put in your place several times so i dot need to explain

Yes I have, particularly by you. It’s been a privilege learning so much from you😂

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes I have, particularly by you. It’s been a privilege learning so much from you😂

Thanks to Farmer for that, I can really be bothered

[iansums]

38 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Two words, Truss & Kwarteng. When it comes to scaring business, they take the biscuit.

They spooked the markets, not business. I do agree though, it was a disater.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Gary Stevenson don’t make me laugh. A list of “who are they?” In the business world! Might as well get fat Joe down the pub to write this. This shows your level of understanding. Goodbye

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/who-we-are

You know Victorian mill owners pedalled the same line about higher taxes meant they’d close the mills and everyone suffers? Still you are testament to how easy it is to fool many

[whelk]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Lots of talk about that asylum seekers will have valuable assets taken off them, as kind of part payment for their cost.

😂

not sure even reform proposed that. Anyway, no one believes this government would even uphold this in the extremely unlikely event the wider party does not block it. 
 

the slow march to exiting the ECHR continues 

Good to see.  It seems only the Labour Government are serious about tackling immigration 

Edited yesterday at 13:13 by whelk
Govt not party. party is full of idiots

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

Good to see.  It seems only the Labour Government are serious about tackling immigration 

I agree they are doing more than the Tories. Let’s not hold our breath though. The backbench loonies are now on this revolt this lunchtime. Trying to get themselves voted out again!

Edited yesterday at 13:21 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree they are doing more than the Tories. Let’s not hold our breath though. The backbench loonies are now on this revolt this lunchtime. Trying to get themselves voted out again!

I wish loads of the idiots woudl join Corbyn. Makes sensible policies that should be a slam dunk with their majority so contentious. I’d actually love the Tories to vote with Govt (they won’t of course) and would help give them some credibility back

Edited yesterday at 13:27 by whelk