The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yeah good news, yields on 10-year gilts are back down to  Liz Truss levels…

Yes mate, I know.

Did she herself not accelerate the growth? So maybe Labour took a bit of short term pain to start recalibrating down?

[hypochondriac]

5 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Lol, the vote would happen every week because there is always someone who is unhappy about something

You'd allow for that by making the threshold high enough that you wouldn't have it happening all the time and you'd have a period where it wouldn't be allowed once you'd called one and it was unsuccessful. If strength of feeling was high enough and your failure big enough then it would be easier to remove you.

[egg]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd make it so that constituents can initiate a recall petition with a certain number of signatures. Once a threshold is met you're out.

So a witch hunt policy? 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

So a witch hunt policy? 

Not if the threshold is high enough. It's not acceptable that politicians can blatantly lie to get elected, renege on most of their promises and then roll out a load of society changing stuff that no one voted for with no means of getting rid before the next election.

We already have recall petitions under certain circumstances. Changing those circumstances can make politicians more accountable to their constituents.

Edited Thursday at 14:57 by hypochondriac

[egg]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Not if the threshold is high enough. It's not acceptable that politicians can blatantly lie to get elected, renege on most of their promises and then roll out a load of society changing stuff that no one voted for with no means of getting rid before the next election.

We already have recall petitions under certain circumstances. Changing those circumstances can make politicians more accountable to their constituents.

Individual politicians don't generally renege on their promises - they don't set policy. You seem to be asking for a recall petition to be used to boot out MP's because of government policy decisions. That's never going to happen. 

If (as you initially suggested) there's a more accessible recall petition for MP's because they're falling short, then that's so open to abuse, and it absolutely could be used in witch hunt exercises. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

If (as you initially suggested) there's a more accessible recall petition for MP's because they're falling short, then that's so open to abuse, and it absolutely could be used in witch hunt exercises. 

Corbyn and Johnson would certainly have abused it.

[east-stand-nic]

22 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

 

Oh dear niccy, used up the 3 posts limit and made to look utterly stupid again... 🤣

Nothing changes does it 🤡

Sadly for you, it is your bosom buddy who has been caught out, yet again with his Marxist Fascist ways. Being that you support him at every post, one can only assume you agree with his Marxist Fascist ways. 

[egg]

50 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Sadly for you, it is your bosom buddy who has been caught out, yet again with his Marxist Fascist ways. Being that you support him at every post, one can only assume you agree with his Marxist Fascist ways. 

Great use of one of your 3 nic. Well done. 

I won't engage with you on a serious level because you don't post seriously. You conflate issues, assume your position as fact, and moreover, are rude and personal at every turn. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Sadly for you, it is your bosom buddy who has been caught out, yet again with his Marxist Fascist ways. Being that you support him at every post, one can only assume you agree with his Marxist Fascist ways. 

The only agreement we have on here is that you are an absolutely monumental prick...

We will look out for more outstanding stupidity tomorrow when you can post again

[east-stand-nic]

46 minutes ago, egg said:

Great use of one of your 3 nic. Well done. 

I won't engage with you on a serious level because you don't post seriously. You conflate issues, assume your position as fact, and moreover, are rude and personal at every turn. 

You will not engage as you cannot. I am correct. If I was wrong you would prove it. 

6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

The only agreement we have on here is that you are an absolutely monumental prick...

We will look out for more outstanding stupidity tomorrow when you can post again

Oh dear, read above from Egg about being rude. No doubt he will accept it when you and the other fascists are rude, but not when I do it. Same old double standards lefty loons.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, east-stand-nic said:

You will not engage as you cannot. I am correct. If I was wrong you would prove it. 

Oh dear, read above from Egg about being rude. No doubt he will accept it when you and the other fascists are rude, but not when I do it. Same old double standards lefty loons.

Oooooh its still here... but still an hilarious fool 

[badgerx16]

Could somebody please explain what exactly a "Marxist Fascist" is. Is it the extremist wing of the "Tribune Group ERG" ?

 

Edited 23 hours ago by badgerx16

[AlexLaw76]

[tdmickey3]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Good for her

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Sadly for you, it is your bosom buddy who has been caught out, yet again with his Marxist Fascist ways. Being that you support him at every post, one can only assume you agree with his Marxist Fascist ways. 

What on earth is a Marxist Fascist?

By the way nic, go and look up the word “hyperbole” along with “Marxist Fascist.” It might save you wasting more posts down the line when you completely misunderstand   the point of another of my posts.

[sadoldgit]

49 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Good for her

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What on earth is a Marxist Fascist?

By the way nic, go and look up the word “hyperbole” along with “Marxist Fascist.” It might save you wasting more posts down the line when you completely misunderstand   the point of another of my posts.

At least Nic does pay anything, you pay a fiver a year for all your wasted posts.

[Farmer Saint]

After Dinner Speeches. 

I don't like listening to her talk now, God knows I wouldn't pay for it.

[sadoldgit]

To paraphrase AI - 

The term ‘Marxist Fascist’ is not a real or coherent political ideology. It combines two ideas that are fundamentally opposed. When people use it they are usually confused or misinformed.

Both words sum up the poster perfectly.

[Sir Ralph]

39 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em

Edited 20 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

To paraphrase AI - 

The term ‘Marxist Fascist’ is not a real or coherent political ideology. It combines two ideas that are fundamentally opposed. When people use it they are usually confused or misinformed.

Both words sum up the poster perfectly.

Is that the same AI used by West Midlands Police ?

[Farmer Saint]

This is very interesting...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c150leql9pgo

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

The Tories and Labour are at least a decade behind in terms of how they utilise social media (my own view).

Influencers across all age groups would help but doesnt seem to be a concern for them.

[east-stand-nic]

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What on earth is a Marxist Fascist?

By the way nic, go and look up the word “hyperbole” along with “Marxist Fascist.” It might save you wasting more posts down the line when you completely misunderstand   the point of another of my posts.

Must do better. Outed again. 

A "communist fascist" isn't a standard political term but describes systems or ideologies that blend elements of communism (state control, class struggle focus) with fascism (extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, hierarchy), often seen in dictatorships like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China, where totalitarian state power mimics fascist control despite communist aims, or used pejoratively to link far-left authoritarianism to far-right fascist methods, as seen in the historical concept of "social fascism" used by communists against social democrats. 

[badgerx16]

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

To paraphrase AI - 

The term ‘Marxist Fascist’ is not a real or coherent political ideology. It combines two ideas that are fundamentally opposed. When people use it they are usually confused or misinformed.

Both words sum up the poster perfectly.

 

8 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Must do better. Outed again. 

A "communist fascist" isn't a standard political term but describes systems or ideologies that blend elements of communism (state control, class struggle focus) with fascism (extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, hierarchy), often seen in dictatorships like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China, where totalitarian state power mimics fascist control despite communist aims, or used pejoratively to link far-left authoritarianism to far-right fascist methods, as seen in the historical concept of "social fascism" used by communists against social democrats. 

A classic example of AI contradicting itself.

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[The Kraken]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

 

A classic example of AI contradicting itself.

Todays google answer to “what is a Marxist fascist.”

A "Marxist fascist" is a contradiction in terms, as Marxism and Fascism are fundamentally opposing ideologies: 

Marxism aims for classless, international worker solidarity against capitalism, while Fascism, from a Marxist perspective, is a brutal dictatorship of finance capital designed to crush socialist movements and preserve capitalist power through extreme nationalism, militarism, and suppression of class struggle, often mobilizing the desperate middle class against workers. While some regimes called themselves "Marxist" (like Stalinist Russia) and were accused of fascism (or vice versa) by opponents, classic Marxist theory sees fascism as capitalism's violent tool against the working class, not a form of socialism

[sadoldgit]

58 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Must do better. Outed again. 

A "communist fascist" isn't a standard political term but describes systems or ideologies that blend elements of communism (state control, class struggle focus) with fascism (extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, hierarchy), often seen in dictatorships like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China, where totalitarian state power mimics fascist control despite communist aims, or used pejoratively to link far-left authoritarianism to far-right fascist methods, as seen in the historical concept of "social fascism" used by communists against social democrats. 

You originally said Marxist Fascist not Communist Fascist.

Outed again.

Must do better!