The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Behave.

It was racists, the gullible, and idiots. 

I qualified on ground 3. 

We all qualify for that every now and then. We keep a pot of money aside every year for "idiot tax", for anything that comes up where being an idiot has created a financial penalty.

[trousers]

46 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure when this was last done, but something a bit fun to do to see where we all sit on the political spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Here is mine:

Phew... My fence sitting credentials remain intact...

 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

SOG. I can't remember the exact words but along the lines of someone with my political views shouldn't be allowed to vote. Probably the highlight of Saintsweb for me, hence the need for me to mention it again every so often. 😃

"The big concern I have is that people like you have a vote."

@SOG 15/01/2026

[iansums]

31 minutes ago, trousers said:

Phew... My fence sitting credentials remain intact...

 

You come across like a raging communist to me 🙃

[hypochondriac]

44 minutes ago, trousers said:

Phew... My fence sitting credentials remain intact...

 

Interesting. I'm not sure how accurate it is in reality but my result probably surprises some. 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, trousers said:

I reckon in c.20 years, once we've rejoined the EU, us Europhiles will look back at this last few decades and thank the thickos who voted Brexit for indirectly opening the door to full membership. 🇪🇺💶

In a round about way, you’ve actually put your finger on why Remain lost & why leaving was inevitable. The Europhiles had 40 years to sell the EEC/EU, and sell it to a public who for the most part were in favour of it. What did they do, they pretended we somehow weren’t part of it, that “ever closer union” didn’t apply to us, that it totally needed reform. They didn’t sell it at all, they pretended they were sceptical. I met a German bloke in Portugal who gave a more passionate defence of the EU than any of the senior politicians ever did (the only one who came close was probably Ken Clarke). In his eyes the relationship between EU countries was the same as Scotland and England, he saw a Pole working in Germany as exactly the same as a Sweaty working in London. He saw the EU as one big UK. He genuinely couldn’t understand why anyone would want to leave it (this was before a referendum was even called).
 

Had the pro European side been more honest and up front given us a referendum on Maastricht (which they’d have won), treated the public like adults instead of thinking it was an issue of party management, hadn’t blamed everything on the EU, then we’d still be in. What summed it up was Cameron’s “renegotiation”, pretending he’d leave unless he got a good deal, getting fuck all and pretending that changed everything. That is the perfect example. 

Don’t get me wrong, I’d still vote leave as my reasons were more Bennite, certain things should be decided by national governments. But I thought it would be similar to the Monarchy, I didn’t like it but it was never going to change.

The establishment had 40 years to cement our place in the EU,they didn’t and their deceit caught up with them. If you spend years telling everyone certain things weren’t your fault & years telling people how badly the EU needed reform, it’s not really surprising the lack of that reform causes people to turn against it. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting. I'm not sure how accurate it is in reality but my result probably surprises some. 

 

Having said that I just ran the result through chatgpt and it's a very accurate summary of my views I'd say:

That result actually paints a pretty clear (and fairly moderate) picture of how you tend to see the world.
Economically: +0.88 (slightly right of centre)
This suggests you’re mildly economically right-leaning rather than strongly ideological. Typically that points to things like:
A belief in markets, incentives, and personal responsibility
Comfort with private enterprise and efficiency
Probably sceptical of heavy-handed state control, but not hostile to all public spending
In other words, you’re not a “slash the state, let the market burn” type — more pragmatic than dogmatic.
Socially: –0.56 (mildly libertarian)
This is arguably the more telling axis for you. It suggests:
A preference for personal freedom over moral or behavioural control
Discomfort with the state telling people how to live, think, or behave
Likely tolerant on social issues and wary of authoritarianism from either left or right
You’re not radically libertarian, but you clearly lean towards “live and let live” rather than rules-for-the-sake-of-rules.
Put together: centre-right libertarian That combination often maps onto attitudes like:
“I don’t want the government micromanaging people”
“Public money should be used carefully and sensibly”
“Freedom matters, but so does realism”
Strong dislike of ideological purity tests, culture-war nonsense, or authoritarian overreach
In UK terms, this often aligns with:
Being frustrated with both major parties at different times
Feeling politically homeless when debate becomes tribal
Valuing competence, evidence, and proportion over slogans
It also fits someone who’s operationally minded — focused on what actually works rather than what sounds virtuous on paper.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

"The big concern I have is that people like you have a vote."

@SOG 15/01/2026

Thank you for confirming that I didn’t say that he shouldn’t have the vote. I know Nic won’t understand the difference though.

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Like you supporting Starmer? Proven to have a pedo on his team knowingly and helping to NOT prosecute Savile. Good god you have no awareness. 

There you go again. Who is the “pedo” on his team? If you are referring to Peter Mandelson please provide the evidence that he is a paedophile.

Go and look at the reasons that Saville wasn’t prosecuted and you will see that it was nothing to do with Starmer. I know you have a problem with facts but give them a try for a change.

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[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

SOG. I can't remember the exact words but along the lines of someone with my political views shouldn't be allowed to vote. Probably the highlight of Saintsweb for me, hence the need for me to mention it again every so often. 😃

This probably proves my original point. You seem to struggle with actual facts. I didn’t say that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote (with thanks to BadgerX for providing the proof of the actual quote).

If you are continue to bring this up, do us both a favour and use the actual quote.

[egg]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure when this was last done, but something a bit fun to do to see where we all sit on the political spectrum.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Here is mine:

Interesting 

[trousers]

5 hours ago, trousers said:

# Devil's advocate klaxon #

Given the EU is a such good organisation to be part of, surely it would be better to return as a fully-fledged member rather than the watered down membership we had before...?

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Financially if has harmed us significantly, of that there is no doubt. I would still vote to rejoin, dependant on what that relationship looked like, because I think we're stronger fiscally in the EU.

 

5 hours ago, trousers said:

I reckon in c.20 years, once we've rejoined the EU, us Europhiles will look back at this last few decades and thank the thickos who voted Brexit for indirectly opening the door to full membership. 🇪🇺💶

 

55 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

In a round about way, you’ve actually put your finger on why Remain lost & why leaving was inevitable. The Europhiles had 40 years to sell the EEC/EU, and sell it to a public who for the most part were in favour of it. What did they do, they pretended we somehow weren’t part of it, that “ever closer union” didn’t apply to us, that it totally needed reform. They didn’t sell it at all, they pretended they were sceptical.

The establishment had 40 years to cement our place in the EU,they didn’t and their deceit caught up with them. If you spend years telling everyone certain things weren’t your fault & years telling people how badly the EU needed reform, it’s not really surprising the lack of that reform causes people to turn against it. 

Good to know that someone can read between the lines of my tongue-in-cheek approach to 'debate'...

[iansums]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

This probably proves my original point. You seem to struggle with actual facts. I didn’t say that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote (with thanks to BadgerX for providing the proof of the actual quote).

If you are continue to bring this up, do us both a favour and use the actual quote.

Well I did say I couldn't remember the exact quote. Not quite sure how your point is proven but well done anyway.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, iansums said:

Well I did say I couldn't remember the exact quote. Not quite sure how your point is proven but well done anyway.

He’s proven he doesn’t like the fact that people who don’t agree with him are allowed to vote. But he also believes in democracy. 😂😂😂

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Interesting 

I’m a left wing, liberal Tommy Robinson, Trump supporting Katie Hopkins worshiper 👊👊👊

[east-stand-nic]

4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Niccy is only there for the beaches and spicy food remember.

Right so am I allowed to call you a nonce sympathetiser coz you support starmer and immigration of people who rape our kids? Simple yes or no?

[Gloucester Saint]

I vote Lib Dem, have never voted Labour and ideologically I’m probably a One Nation Tory Nic you plank.

[sadoldgit]

Probably no surprise

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[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’m a left wing, liberal Tommy Robinson, Trump supporting Katie Hopkins worshiper 👊👊👊

FFS Turkish 

Based on that compass result (very economically left, socially near-centre but slightly libertarian), the closest overall match in UK party terms would be:
The left wing of the Labour Party
Labour Party
More specifically, this lines up with democratic socialist / traditional social-democratic Labour, rather than the centrist or “Third Way” side.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Probably no surprise

Pmsl 

[egg]

12 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Right so am I allowed to call you a nonce sympathetiser coz you support starmer and immigration of people who rape our kids? Simple yes or no?

Where have you got the stupid idea from that a) immigrants go around raping kids, b) that people who understand that we need immigration support the idea of children being raped?

Your mind is as seedy as the country you apparently live in. 

To answer your question, no. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Probably no surprise

How did you answer the question if someone can work but refuses to should they expect to be able to rely on the state?

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How did you answer the question if someone can work but refuses to should they expect to be able to rely on the state?

Lol. He edited the screenshot to remove the bit of him listening to James O'brien. 

[egg]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’m a left wing, liberal Tommy Robinson, Trump supporting Katie Hopkins worshiper 👊👊👊

I didn't expect that tbh, although mine is much further left, and more libertarian than I expected. 

Chat GPT described me as "politically homeless, not politically confused" which is bang on as I know where I stand, but  none of the parties speak my language at the moment. 

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

I didn't expect that tbh, although mine is much further left, and more libertarian than I expected. 

Chat GPT described me as "politically homeless, not politically confused" which is bang on as I know where I stand, but  none of the parties speak my language at the moment. 

I feel similar TBF.

[Farmer Saint]

Right, can we have a ban on the word "pedo" or any variation? I know we've all said it but it's gone too far, and it's really fucking boring.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Right, can we have a ban on the word "pedo" or any variation? I know we've all said it but it's gone too far, and it's really fucking boring.

Agreed. The correct English pronunciation is surely "paedo" FFS...

[egg]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Agreed. The correct English pronunciation is surely "paedo" FFS...

Exactly. If someone is gonna be called a nonse, get the spelling right. 

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

I didn't expect that tbh, although mine is much further left, and more libertarian than I expected. 

Chat GPT described me as "politically homeless, not politically confused" which is bang on as I know where I stand, but  none of the parties speak my language at the moment. 

 

16 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I feel similar TBF.

Me too!

[The Kraken]

Yet more evidence that the fuckwits on here who regularly throw out terms like “leftie” and “far right” really don’t understand what they’re talking about.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Yet more evidence that the fuckwits on here who regularly throw out terms like “leftie” and “far right” really don’t understand what they’re talking about.

Indeed, Turks is apparently futher left than Stalin, but anyone reading 3rd party comments on here would assume he makes Tommy Robinson look liberal. 

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Me too!

I feel a new party should be created. The "Saintsweb Libtards"?

[ChrisPY]

20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Agreed. The correct English pronunciation is surely "paedo" FFS...

Don't be such a dictionary nonce.

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Indeed, Turks is apparently futher left than Stalin, but anyone reading 3rd party comments on here would assume he makes Tommy Robinson look liberal. 

Makes Karl Marx look like Oswald Mosley.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, ChrisPY said:

Don't be such a dictionary nonce.

careful, Joey Barton was convicted for less.

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Makes Karl Marx look like Oswald Mosley.

Marxist fascist.

[sadoldgit]

32 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Yet more evidence that the fuckwits on here who regularly throw out terms like “leftie” and “far right” really don’t understand what they’re talking about.

I’m curious. What is your definition of “far right.”

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m curious. What is your definition of “far right.”

I'd love to know yours. Why are you ashamed of listening to James O'Brien? Be loud and proud. 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd love to know yours. Why are you ashamed of listening to James O'Brien? Be loud and proud. 

Anyone who doesn’t agree with him isn’t it?

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd love to know yours. Why are you ashamed of listening to James O'Brien? Be loud and proud. 

JOB is fine in small doses, but I can't listen to a whole show. He's a bit much.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m curious. What is your definition of “far right.”

What is your definition of far right?

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What is your definition of far right?

Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson and anyone who wears a Nazi belt buckle.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What is your definition of far right?

SOG is further right than me so I'm intrigued...

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I’m curious. What is your definition of “far right.”

Would that not depend on where the observer stands along the political spectrum ? After all, Donald Trump thinks Joe Biden represents the RADICAL LEFT whereas I think he is closer to the Lib Dems.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

JOB is fine in small doses, but I can't listen to a whole show. He's a bit much.

In other words JOB is the human equivalent of salt. 

[iansums]

I’ve just done the test and I’m slightly left of centre, I can’t believe it, I’m horrified. But at least SOG will let me  have a vote.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Go and look at the reasons that Saville wasn’t prosecuted and you will see that it was nothing to do with Starmer.

On this we agree. Despite being head of CPS, someone else was to blame.  I have it in good authority he wasn’t prosecuted because some clown misfiled the paperwork…

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

What is your definition of far right?

I’ve already given it, several times. Mine is the same as most political commentators.

[sadoldgit]

59 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Would that not depend on where the observer stands along the political spectrum ? After all, Donald Trump thinks Joe Biden represents the RADICAL LEFT whereas I think he is closer to the Lib Dems.

There are definitions given in dictionaries which is what I use. The trouble is people of the far right don’t like that label because it comes with a lot of baggage. Reform UK are labelled far right by many political commentators and given the number of obvious racists in the party that is no surprise. Call them a far right party though and people who support them get sniffy.

Donald Trump is a clueless moron  so what he thinks isn’t worth considering. I would say that the Democrats in the US are closer to the old centre right Tories. Mainstream American politics stem from centre to varying degrees right.

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

There are definitions given in dictionaries which is what I use. 

What a load of old pony.