The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

On this lounge forum I’ve been called various names, including a c£&@.

Not the faint hearted the lounge. Although that must’ve been uncalled for

Edited 6 hours ago by whelk

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

1. I’m not a liar - never admitted to it.  Your opinion is I’ve been caught out cause you don’t agree. Poor form to stoop that low. 
 

2. On this lounge forum I’ve been called various names, including a c£&@. I don’t recall ever resort to such chat. Poor form.

3. Im not going to explain what I do in real estate. If you couldn’t work out from earlier when I explained to some of your friends the basics of foreign investment in real estate, then me explaining it further is pointless. You think I got that from chat GPT? Your friends have taken the Michael out of me for even asking what they do and the relevance. I’ve given much more information about my background (and to be fair you have) than the rest of the contributors on here.  

4. I believe that most contributors on this page have socialist views and don’t have any basic idea about business or how the capitalist system works (ps the world  is based upon it). All too embarrassed to admit you’re socialist so you fudge the answer - saying that’s an old school view on life is frankly shirking the answer. To me that means you have socialist views as any true capitalist would be happy to admit what they are. 

5. When the inner circle is debated or challenged for a certain period you tend to get abusive and try to take the piss. A few of you continue to engage sensibly but the rest are unable to. I’ve seen it with other people, other than me, that have engaged with different views. They eventually get called irrational or stupid. Hence I realised it’s an echo chamber. No real forum does that. 

6. Good night. I’ll revisit this in a year and let’s see what happens. Hopefully Labour will turn the economy around but I doubt they will. If they do I will genuinely come back and admit I was wrong. I would be delighted if that happens. If they don’t I look forward to more excuses from the echo chamber.

In the meantime UTS

Ok, so what were you admitting to getting caught out on then?

In relation to your line of work, just a sector is all I asked for. The problem is, because you've confused and contradicted yourself so much in trying to carve out some sort of argument, I can't work out what sector you are in.

Wealthy people tend to spread their wealth, which means they could be investing in multiple real estate sectors, so it would be good to know.

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

1. I’m not a liar - never admitted to it.  Your opinion is I’ve been caught out cause you don’t agree. Poor form to stoop that low. 
 

2. On this lounge forum I’ve been called various names, including a c£&@. I don’t recall ever resort to such chat. Poor form.

3. Im not going to explain what I do in real estate. If you couldn’t work out from earlier when I explained to some of your friends the basics of foreign investment in real estate, then me explaining it further is pointless. You think I got that from chat GPT? Your friends have taken the Michael out of me for even asking what they do and the relevance. I’ve given much more information about my background (and to be fair you have) than the rest of the contributors on here.  

4. I believe that most contributors on this page have socialist views and don’t have any basic idea about business or how the capitalist system works (ps the world  is based upon it). All too embarrassed to admit you’re socialist so you fudge the answer - saying that’s an old school view on life is frankly shirking the answer. To me that means you have socialist views as any true capitalist would be happy to admit what they are. 

5. When the inner circle is debated or challenged for a certain period you tend to get abusive and try to take the piss. A few of you continue to engage sensibly but the rest are unable to. I’ve seen it with other people, other than me, that have engaged with different views. They eventually get called irrational or stupid. Hence I realised it’s an echo chamber. No real forum does that. 

6. Good night. I’ll revisit this in a year and let’s see what happens. Hopefully Labour will turn the economy around but I doubt they will. If they do I will genuinely come back and admit I was wrong. I would be delighted if that happens. If they don’t I look forward to more excuses from the echo chamber.

In the meantime UTS

Ok, so what were you admitting to getting caught out on then? I literally posted the messages.

In relation to your line of work, just a sector is all I asked for. The problem is, because you've confused and contradicted yourself so much in trying to carve out some sort of argument, I can't work out what sector you are in.

Wealthy people tend to spread their wealth, which means they could be investing in multiple real estate sectors, so it would be good to know.

Edited 6 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[rallyboy]

The last time someone said they'd leave it there, they were back seven minutes later - slamming the door on the way out then coming back loses impact.

One of the current problems is that Reform has lurched so far to the right that they can't even see the left from there, and need to believe that everyone in the centre ground must be raving Marxists who all hate running their own businesses successfully.

I suspect the looney lefties are mostly in the middle.

[badgerx16]

53 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

4. I believe that most contributors on this page have socialist views and don’t have any basic idea about business or how the capitalist system works (ps the world  is based upon it). All too embarrassed to admit you’re socialist so you fudge the answer - saying that’s an old school view on life is frankly shirking the answer. To me that means you have socialist views as any true capitalist would be happy to admit what they are. 

 

Why is Socialism bad ? Do you even know what the term means ?

Should the NHS be privatised ? Should Social Care ?

Should mainstream education continue to be publicly funded ?

Would publicly owned water companies do a worse job than the privatised ones, which still require public funding to keep them going ? Similarly the rail network ?

Should workers have some protections against exploitation ?

Compare the above examples to the car crashes that are their equivalents in the capitalist paradise that is the United Staes of America.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

I'm trying to not be too hard on him - I've given him various get outs to show and explain what his issues are. The problem is he doesn't seem to understand basic politics, government strategy, and as an extension tax and how that affects the wealth of individuals and businesses, along with the social costs associated.

He reminds me of me when I first came out of uni, thinking I knew it all, spouting crap about how life was all about making money and The Wealth of Nations etc. Nowadays I sit with the Theory of Moral Sentiments, but both are bedfellows, and both show that Capitalism and Socialism can live hand in hand. It is for this reason that I reject Ralph's question on what my "beliefs" are.

Also, a lot of rich people are selfish twats. I'd prefer to be a champagne socialist than one of those knobbers.

Edited 5 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

[Gloucester Saint]

100 pts for me having voted Tory 2017 as May’s deal whilst naive was far better than what we ended up with from Johnson and Frost (and was obviously so) and Corbyn’s manifesto. Not a very socialist thing to do.

My usual party were in disarray post-Brexit and 2015 GE wipeout (apparently austerity was only down to us).

Other than that, agree with the rest of that table - if you’re beyond 600 pts it’s a sad state of affairs.

Edited 4 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

How many farewells is this fellow going to have?

More than Status Quo and possibly more than GM even.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I scored 25,400