1976_Child Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Having just heard Leon's interview on radio Solent (click here) I would like to revise my opinion of the man somewhat. I have always lumped him in with the other two 'suits' as just plain wrong for the club. Having listened to the interview it is obvious that he is totally committed to the club and a true fan. Unlike RL. So, whilst I still have my doubts as to whether Leon is the best man to lead the club I do apologize if some of my criticism has come over as being too harsh. I guess I am just fed up with the constant, seemingly unresolvable crap in the boardroom. Anyway, well done Leon for at least putting the £2m on the table. Shame on the others for not being more constructive. but then that is Lowe in a nut shell isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've never doubted he's a proper fan, or that he really cares, but I retain my long-standing belief that he's a feet-first, gung-ho, "consider the consequences later" type of bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 this does not help the club -at all. He is a fan, we all accept that. As a fan can he not see that these continual squabbles are harming the club. I am not saying he could not do a good job or whether what he had said is true. But as a fan and shareholder -does this do any good for Saints or could it harm us? As an individual does this do any good for his ego? Any comparisons with the numerous bad things the others have done are not relevant to this. Two wrongs etc. Actions may help, continual rants without action only harm. not that he will care but I will reserve judgement on him until his actions catch up with his words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've never doubted he's a proper fan, or that he really cares, but I retain my long-standing belief that he's a feet-first, gung-ho, "consider the consequences later" type of bloke. kinda of where i come from too. Still, nice to him being constructive and positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 A really good interview. He gave quite a good account of himself I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Having just heard Leon's interview on radio Solent (click here) I would like to revise my opinion of the man somewhat. I have always lumped him in with the other two 'suits' as just plain wrong for the club. Having listened to the interview it is obvious that he is totally committed to the club and a true fan. Unlike RL. So, whilst I still have my doubts as to whether Leon is the best man to lead the club I do apologize if some of my criticism has come over as being too harsh. I guess I am just fed up with the constant, seemingly unresolvable crap in the boardroom. Anyway, well done Leon for at least putting the £2m on the table. Shame on the others for not being more constructive. but then that is Lowe in a nut shell isn't it. I'm sure your words of criticism in the past cut him deep. I imagine he is sat at home browsing SWF, feeling a little happier about life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Me thinks that nobody but the Dark Lord with Loads a money is good enough for NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 28 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I'm sure your words of criticism in the past cut him deep. I imagine he is sat at home browsing SWF, feeling a little happier about life. yeah, whatever. twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've never doubted he's a proper fan, or that he really cares, but I retain my long-standing belief that he's a feet-first, gung-ho, "consider the consequences later" type of bloke. Based on what, may I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Me thinks that nobody but the Dark Lord with Loads a money is good enough for NickG I want Lowe out. Yes I think it would be good to have some money! how about asking the question about what good this does the club as opposed to his ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I want Lowe out. Yes I think it would be good to have some money! how about asking the question about what good this does the club as opposed to his ego? Grow up, he is the second biggest shareholder, an opponent of the current board, thats why the local BBC are interested in hearing his views. If you are on about the £2m, then someone offers the club some money and you just dismiss it as an ego trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Based on what, may I ask. Based on things he's said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 A really good interview. He gave quite a good account of himself I thought. Goodness me. Really? There must be two interviews, then. I have only heard the one where he sounds a tad mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Grow up, he is the second biggest shareholder, an opponent of the current board, thats why the local BBC are interested in hearing his views. If you are on about the £2m, then someone offers the club some money and you just dismiss it as an ego trip. Or cheap political points scoring - which it is if he knows Lowe and Wilde don't have £2M apiece to chuck in then Leon isn't actually making a real offer. But I don't know the guy so it may or may not be the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Grow up??, he is the second biggest shareholder, an opponent of the current board, thats why the local BBC are interested in hearing his views. If you are on about the £2m, then someone offers the club some money and you just dismiss it as an ego trip. it was a sensible and mature point, if you can't answer fair enough but doesn't make the point childish. I am on about the shareholders continual public embaressing squabbles. Pointless and negative. of course BBC are interested, it is interesting -just like reality TV -doesn't make it beneficial which is what he should be aiming for. Genuine offers of money are a positive thing, although I am not convinced he offered it expecting a chance of acceptance. I don't know why Lowe (probably due to his ego and childish games) said no but £6m and we walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Shame our two mates are not around to comment. Like a couple of rats on a sinking ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've heard Wilde won't be attending on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Shame our two mates are not around to comment. Like a couple of rats on a sinking ship. By 'two mates' do you mean Woops 'n' Wilde? Or Somedunce and Scooboid? If the latter then you'll find that Somedunce has reincarnated himself on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i can't believe people on here,we've got someone who is prepared to stand up to lowe&wilde and he gets slated.shouldn't we put our full support behind leon as ousting these two goons is our priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I want Lowe out. Yes I think it would be good to have some money! how about asking the question about what good this does the club as opposed to his ego? Your credability as a normal rational poster has gone!...Lowe has the biggest Ego of all, but as a Luvvie I would not expect you to admit that...no lets just rubbish the one real fan who is a major shareholder eh Nick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Your credibility as a normal rational poster has gone!...Lowe has the biggest Ego of all sorry didn't realise you were keeping credibility ratings! bit sad, how did I lose out? I agree Lowe probably does have the biggest ego of the three of them, but as said on the others doesn't mean all have to lower to the lowest common denominator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Me thinks that nobody but the Dark Lord with Loads a money is good enough for NickG Yep. No one who is sane would not consider Crouch to be better for than Lowe, on SO MANY LEVELS. Sort of blows a hole in NickG's winsome chirpy "get behind the team", "whats good for the club goes for me too" mentality.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i can't believe people on here,we've got someone who is prepared to stand up to lowe&wilde and he gets slated.shouldn't we put our full support behind leon as ousting these two goons is our priority. Take no notice of the lunatic fringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I want Lowe out. Yes I think it would be good to have some money! how about asking the question about what good this does the club as opposed to his ego? Last time I looked, 2000000 > 0.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Your credability as a normal rational poster has gone!...Lowe has the biggest Ego of all, but as a Luvvie I would not expect you to admit that...no lets just rubbish the one real fan who is a major shareholder eh Nick? just because I don't lust after Crouch doesn't mean I like Lowe. Very easy way to try and defend any point against him "just Lowe luvvie". As you are so keen to rate and label posters why don't you randomly look at any of my posts over the last few months and see how many praise lowe and how many criticise him. You are just wrong. For what its worth, if you do so want to assess me 1) I am a lifelong fan, from chocolate boxes to St Marys 2) I never used to know or care who was in the chair. 3) I got totally fed up with Lowe and his ridiculous ego 4) He was at fault for our relegation, but IMHO not solely (just as he was not solely responsible for better league finishes cup final etc,) 5) I welcomed Wilde's campaign to oust him 6) I bought a modest shareholding to assist and feel part of it 7) I met, emailed and spoke with Lee Hoos during the campaign. The rest is history. 9) I am saddened and feel helpless at the state of out club 10) I still look forward to going, but come away disapointed each game 11) I am beyond trusting or understanding the counter arguements about administration Crouch v Lowe. 12) I want a united board/club 13) that will never be achived with Lowe. 14) We made a mistake before of replacing Lowe without a proper alternative and I still think Crouch should talk to shareholders rather than continually airing this in public for no gain. Guess I am Lowe luvvie then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 i can't believe people on here,we've got someone who is prepared to stand up to lowe&wilde and he gets slated.shouldn't we put our full support behind leon as ousting these two goons is our priority. its not ousting them tho is it? if he does that he will have huge support, this is just slagging them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Yep. No one who is sane would not consider Crouch to be better for than Lowe, on SO MANY LEVELS. Sort of blows a hole in NickG's winsome chirpy "get behind the team", "whats good for the club goes for me too" mentality.. I know you like negativity but far too many in one sentence for it to make sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Last time I looked, 2000000 > 0.............. it is, and they should have taken it, and ideally matched it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 just because I don't lust after Crouch doesn't mean I like Lowe. Very easy way to try and defend any point against him "just Lowe luvvie". As you are so keen to rate and label posters why don't you randomly look at any of my posts over the last few months and see how many praise lowe and how many criticise him. You are just wrong. For what its worth, if you do so want to assess me 1) I am a lifelong fan, from chocolate boxes to St Marys 2) I never used to know or care who was in the chair. 3) I got totally fed up with Lowe and his ridiculous ego 4) He was at fault for our relegation, but IMHO not solely (just as he was not solely responsible for better league finishes cup final etc,) 5) I welcomed Wilde's campaign to oust him 6) I bought a modest shareholding to assist and feel part of it 7) I met, emailed and spoke with Lee Hoos during the campaign. The rest is history. 9) I am saddened and feel helpless at the state of out club 10) I still look forward to going, but come away disapointed each game 11) I am beyond trusting or understanding the counter arguements about administration Crouch v Lowe. 12) I want a united board/club 13) that will never be achived with Lowe. 14) We made a mistake before of replacing Lowe without a proper alternative and I still think Crouch should talk to shareholders rather than continually airing this in public for no gain. Guess I am Lowe luvvie then. Oh come on Nick you are probably the most notorious Lowe luvvie on this site except for Sundance and a couple of others. There is no rational in your thinking...anything but Crouch is your motto . Lowe has no place at SMS, his welcome went eons ago ...first time around. But carry on supporting and defending the indefensible. Never give Crouch any credit for anything will you, remember as recently as last week Crouch did try and talk to the other two main shareholders before he went public...but no matter that does not count does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 yes you are right. I made that all up. You have found all my posts supporting him. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 If I was to be really picky then I'd say Crouch is governed a bit too much by the heart and not enough by the head. All things considered he'll be a vast improvement on the current regime as long as he had some good advisors and a well balanced board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 yes you are right. I made that all up. You have found all my posts supporting him. Sorry. The bit that really pizzed me off was you saying Crouch should talk to the other shareholders..the guy has tried that a number of times and you well know that to be true...there has been enough spoken about it on here in the last few days...thats the reason that I believe your approach and opinion is clouded and full of biggotry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Doubt if Leon has dealt with a couple of wide boys before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 didn't mean Lowe as can't see him talking him around. The only three ways he will get rid of Lowe are; 1) manage to buy up enough shares - looking unlikely as I understand from posters on here not enough are available to him 2) convince enough shareholders to back him -suggest Lowe isn't worth trying! 3) find the £6m investment into the club that Lowe/Wilde have said will make them walk away. Can't see how his comments help any of these, can you? -and that was my point, I continue to be embarrassed by the off field publicity we get. I don't know enough about the truth about wages etc to say who would be better at running the PLC, but if its was a straight gut feeling choice for a single person -Crouch. I am still concerned (and heard all the arguments and possible explanations) as to why Wilde went so against him to turn 100% -but that is just a concern as I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Sorry, but I cannot take Leon Crouch seriously. Sure he has the mouth but I have seen little else to make me think we would be any better off with him back in charge than we are without him. I have no idea what the financial situation really is at SMS but I reckon even I could get some positive PR by walking in and offering £2m if the others matched me safe in the comfort of knowing it was a non-starter from the off. I guess, though, it would make me look good (big) in some people's eyes. The long term answer to our problems does not rest with any of the 'big three' and that's the problem. Like everyone else I can see no real cause for hope and when hope is gone all that is left is frustration and despair. Demonstrations will only make things even worse and that is not the answer either, but no, I can't tell what the answer is (unlike many others on this forum who undoubtedly know), I only wish I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Listening to that interview has not made me change my mind about leon. If only lowe had shown a some passion like that but he hasnt. Back to Leon , Its all well and god him saying that we would have been a top 6 team this year simple fact is we are not and would never have been this season had he of been in charge. He talks about identifying players for next season, and the manager he refers to has only championship experience. As for the money side all well and good slagging of wilde now but why the feck didnt he do due diligence on wilde first time round. At least I agree with his veiled comments about wilde not contributing any thing to the club. Leon can I ask you to speak to your business friends find the other 4 million plus you are seeking and then go back to the club and try again. Its not what I want as I desparatley want all three of you away from the boardroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've heard Wilde won't be attending on Saturday. Will you be attending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 just because I don't lust after Crouch doesn't mean I like Lowe. Very easy way to try and defend any point against him "just Lowe luvvie". As you are so keen to rate and label posters why don't you randomly look at any of my posts over the last few months and see how many praise lowe and how many criticise him. You are just wrong. For what its worth, if you do so want to assess me 1) I am a lifelong fan, from chocolate boxes to St Marys 2) I never used to know or care who was in the chair. 3) I got totally fed up with Lowe and his ridiculous ego 4) He was at fault for our relegation, but IMHO not solely (just as he was not solely responsible for better league finishes cup final etc,) 5) I welcomed Wilde's campaign to oust him 6) I bought a modest shareholding to assist and feel part of it 7) I met, emailed and spoke with Lee Hoos during the campaign. The rest is history. 9) I am saddened and feel helpless at the state of out club 10) I still look forward to going, but come away disapointed each game 11) I am beyond trusting or understanding the counter arguements about administration Crouch v Lowe. 12) I want a united board/club 13) that will never be achived with Lowe. 14) We made a mistake before of replacing Lowe without a proper alternative and I still think Crouch should talk to shareholders rather than continually airing this in public for no gain. Guess I am Lowe luvvie then. Has he been doing this though? I actually thought that he had been very quiet since The Chuckle Brothers return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 By 'two mates' do you mean Woops 'n' Wilde? Or Somedunce and Scooboid? If the latter then you'll find that Somedunce has reincarnated himself on here. Whatever happened to Scooby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 I've never doubted he's a proper fan, or that he really cares, but I retain my long-standing belief that he's a feet-first, gung-ho, "consider the consequences later" type of bloke. this is exactly how i used to feel about the bloke,that feet frist attitude used to scare the bejesus out of me and really put me off as he comes across as unprofessional and i thought that might translate to his running of the club. now i think he has the best interests of the club and the fans at heart and i hope that he can in someway pull us back from the brink. good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 sorry didn't realise you were keeping credibility ratings! bit sad, how did I lose out? I agree Lowe probably does have the biggest ego of the three of them, but as said on the others doesn't mean all have to lower to the lowest common denominator.Nick we've had our tiffs before, but your somewhat slanted views on Crouch and the present board are a bit silly to put it mildly.While Crouch is not perfect, he is at least a fan which is more than you could say for the others who are money motivated. Yes he's said he'll put in £2m, which is at the present time is just talk. But i know Leon through a family member and he would put the money in if the others did. But we know now that others have promised to put money in (£2m Wilde) and it never happened. As for Leon going on the board, of coarse he wants to being a major shareholder, but not in the position you think. As he has said before he wanted Salz in charge of the PLC board, and someone else for the football board (not McM). For some to slam him for what he did when in charge is laughable, seeing as Askham and Lowe were both really experianced football chairman , now were'nt they! Give the bloke a chance. FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 Will you be attending? No, i'm working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 28 January, 2009 Share Posted 28 January, 2009 "Leon can I ask you to speak to your business friends find the other 4 million plus you are seeking and then go back to the club and try again. Its not what I want as I desparatley want all three of you away from the boardroom" What if LC finds two others to put the £6m in and then they find they can't really agree on whose in charge and what should be done? Frying pan? Fire? We have been there before haven't we? A power sharing consortium with LC involved = disaster; LC tends to fall out with everyone, its his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 I've never doubted he's a proper fan, or that he really cares, but I retain my long-standing belief that he's a feet-first, gung-ho, "consider the consequences later" type of bloke. Agreed. Its very very easy to make a gesture of putting £2m on the table when you are asking two other people to do the same knowing it is extreamly unlikely they will match you. Its a bit like me saying to Apine "I will remortgage my house to pay Surmans wages for a few weeks if you will do the same" - I know he wont so in effect its an empty offer. Leon gets all the praise - the other two monkeys get all the flack. I appreciate his heart and his emotion. I not sure about his methods and motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 You know who you could borrow a tenner from You know who would fight in the trenches with you You know who loves this football team of ours You know who would die for this great football team of ours You know who has been a sucessful business man YOU know its one from the three and you all know the other two herberts are in bed with each other at the moment....Mind you one has fallen out the side...... You know what I mean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 i can't believe people on here,we've got someone who is prepared to stand up to lowe&wilde and he gets slated.shouldn't we put our full support behind leon as ousting these two goons is our priority. I think the common belief is that currently we have two idiots in charge that don't really know what they are doing but the other option is one idiot that just happens to also be a fan, that equally doesn't know what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoozonside10 Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 You know who you could borrow a tenner from You know who would fight in the trenches with you You know who loves this football team of ours You know who would die for this great football team of ours You know who has been a sucessful business man YOU know its one from the three and you all know the other two herberts are in bed with each other at the moment....Mind you one has fallen out the side...... You know what I mean... I don't know ONE person who would die for Southampton Football Club. I have no doubts about LC's passion for the club, however I don't remember him being particularly successful the last time he was in charge. I tend to agree with NickG in that Lowe and Wilde must go, but we really need someone who can take the club forward, and LC is not the man for that. As always, those who shout the loudest seem to think they should be listened to - but it doesn't mean they have anything to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 Goodness me. Really? There must be two interviews, then. I have only heard the one where he sounds a tad mad. You are entitled to your opinion of course, although IMO it sounds a tad mad also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 Goodness me. Really? There must be two interviews, then. I have only heard the one where he sounds a tad mad. I agree with Wes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 29 January, 2009 Share Posted 29 January, 2009 I don't know ONE person who would die for Southampton Football Club. I have no doubts about LC's passion for the club, however I don't remember him being particularly successful the last time he was in charge. I tend to agree with NickG in that Lowe and Wilde must go, but we really need someone who can take the club forward, and LC is not the man for that. As always, those who shout the loudest seem to think they should be listened to - but it doesn't mean they have anything to say. All about opinions matey and by the way, I am a Saints supporter and proud of it...Die for or on behalf is an old Service expression and a line I gave the good lady in doors when courting her.. If you are good luck to you....Hope you have not got Glos. Mud on you lately or Alps snow or any of that scottish heather where the shine does not shine or sending Rupert a birthday present. :p:p Crouch....Whoever he is..well at least we have half a chance and maybe Salz or Davies or the like, keeping everything ship shape...but your man Lowe.well that is going down the plughole rapidly....So yes we have now reached the stage, WE have to do something.....His Royal appearances other that at Saints matches/business ie Scotland and the Alps...His aid Wilde and the apparent new split..panic..Does not help at all. Business man/football man..No chance Whoever you are please do not take this personally or on behalf of another.. I am hoping and praying Mr Lowe and Mr Wilde are History by the weekend..Friday would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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