The Reform Thread

[aintforever]

36 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

As has been said many times, most of these types are simply pious virtue signalling types, desperate to be seen by others as caring and open minded whereas as truth be told inside, they feel the same as the majority, they just won't say as they have dug a hole for themselves in decrying others as far right bigots. 

You can want asylum seekers to be treated humanely and fairly without wanting to share your home with strangers. I don’t have a problem with my tax being used to pay for an asylum system that is fit for purpose, I don’t expect anyone to have to give up rooms in their own home.

Is that pious enough?

Edited Saturday at 12:33 by aintforever

[east-stand-nic]

11 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You can want asylum seekers to be treated humanely and fairly without wanting to share your home with strangers. I don’t have a problem with my tax being used to pay for an asylum system that is fit for purpose, I don’t expect anyone to have to give up rooms in their own home.

Is that pious enough?

That depends on your definition of Asylum seeker. Th young men of fighting age appearing on boats every day illegally are NOT asylum seekers. I don't care how you try and dress it up with wokery or political clap trap. The fact is they are arriving here in masses illegally and should be stopped. I do care about the billions per year being spent on housing them etc. Did you know, that is I return to the UK broke I get nothing. Yet someone can walk in illegally off a dingy and get everything. Fair? No. I don't care what you say, that is disgusting. Talk any whataboutery you want, fact is we should look after own our first and after yes, legitimate refugees. NOT tese illegals coming over to over run our systems. The end.

PS. Don't anyone dare with technicalities, that is all just BS whitewashing of the facts. If I turned up in America, Saudi, India or Thailand (just a few examples) in the same fashion I would be deported. We are a soft touch and that is in part why they are here.

Edited Saturday at 12:41 by east-stand-nic
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[aintforever]

42 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

That depends on your definition of Asylum seeker. Th young men of fighting age appearing on boats every day illegally are NOT asylum seekers. I don't care how you try and dress it up with wokery or political clap trap. The fact is they are arriving here in masses illegally and should be stopped. I do care about the billions per year being spent on housing them etc. Did you know, that is I return to the UK broke I get nothing. Yet someone can walk in illegally off a dingy and get everything. Fair? No. I don't care what you say, that is disgusting. Talk any whataboutery you want, fact is we should look after own our first and after yes, legitimate refugees. NOT tese illegals coming over to over run our systems. The end.

PS. Don't anyone dare with technicalities, that is all just BS whitewashing of the facts. If I turned up in America, Saudi, India or Thailand (just a few examples) in the same fashion I would be deported. We are a soft touch and that is in part why they are here.

I agree that economic migrants arriving here illegally should be sent back, absolutely. The fact that they are mainly young males doesn’t necessarily mean they are all economic migrants though, could just be because they are more able and willing to make what is a difficult and dangerous journey.

[sadoldgit]

It sounds like someone has been listening to Nigel Farage again. It’s sad that someone with such a great intellect gets sucked in by someone with such a small intellect. “Young men of fighting age?”. Have you ever stopped to think that they are coming here because they don’t want to fight or live in a country where that is the only option if you stay? Perhaps you should try and look past your tribalist instincts and consider that all human beings deserve to be treated as equals? The vast majority of people turning up on these shores are genuine asylum seekers. Just because some aren’t doesn’t mean that all of them should be tarred with the same brush nic. You call me a racist but you are the one who clearly has an issue with “foreigners”.

[Lord Duckhunter]

20 hours ago, aintforever said:

I agree that economic migrants arriving here illegally should be sent back, absolutely. The fact that they are mainly young males doesn’t necessarily mean they are all economic migrants though, could just be because they are more able and willing to make what is a difficult and dangerous journey.

Clueless. 
 

Where are you going to send these “economic migrants” back to?
 

They don’t turn up saying “hello, I’m here for a better life and job prospects”. They all pretend they’re asylum seekers fleeing war, and soft arsed lefties like you let them stay.
 

Anyone who ends up in France is safe. Whist understandable, all they’re fleeing is French people, not war. They’re making a “difficult and dangerous journey”not out of necessity, but out of choice. They’re deciding they’d rather live here than in France. If that’s not an economic migrant my cocks a carrot. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Have you ever stopped to think that they are coming here because they don’t want to fight or live in a country where that is the only option if you stay?

They’re coming from France 🤡 

[whelk]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

It sounds like someone has been listening to Nigel Farage again. It’s sad that someone with such a great intellect gets sucked in by someone with such a small intellect. “Young men of fighting age?”. Have you ever stopped to think that they are coming here because they don’t want to fight or live in a country where that is the only option if you stay? Perhaps you should try and look past your tribalist instincts and consider that all human beings deserve to be treated as equals? The vast majority of people turning up on these shores are genuine asylum seekers. Just because some aren’t doesn’t mean that all of them should be tarred with the same brush nic. You call me a racist but you are the one who clearly has an issue with “foreigners”.

So basically no point having border control, all are welcome?

[east-stand-nic]

On 27/04/2025 at 04:29, sadoldgit said:

It sounds like someone has been listening to Nigel Farage again. It’s sad that someone with such a great intellect gets sucked in by someone with such a small intellect. “Young men of fighting age?”. Have you ever stopped to think that they are coming here because they don’t want to fight or live in a country where that is the only option if you stay? Perhaps you should try and look past your tribalist instincts and consider that all human beings deserve to be treated as equals? The vast majority of people turning up on these shores are genuine asylum seekers. Just because some aren’t doesn’t mean that all of them should be tarred with the same brush nic. You call me a racist but you are the one who clearly has an issue with “foreigners”.

I cannot even begin to embarrass you on how many points you have wrong here. LD has already pretty much done it anyway. BTW, I live in a foreign country you pious racist twat. I am also married to an Asian lady and have mixed race kids. Yep, I am racist. Well done jackass. Jeez you are by far the most thick and moronic person I have ever come across.

They are NOT vast majority genuine cases you fool. That is why they are all males of fighting age coming from FRANCE. They are here for many reasons, one of them is NOT asylum in any way shape or form. Not wanting to burden our services and infrastructure is not a fear of foreigners you inverted racist pious fool. It is seeing an issue and knowing we cannot carry on like this. BTW, how fair you do think it is that landlords are being encouraged to house these people (government paid 100%) over our own homeless or families already on the waiting list for housing? I am sorry but you know it is a problem and wrong but like so many old racists trying to pay a penance for previous wrongs, you are acting pious etc. Deep down you know it is wrong.

Edited Monday at 06:08 by east-stand-nic
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[tdmickey3]

55 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

I cannot even begin to embarrass you on how many points you have wrong here. LD has already pretty much done it anyway. BTW, I live in a foreign country you pious racist twat. I am also married to an Asian lady and have mixed race kids. Yep, I am racist. Well done jackass. Jeez you are by far the most thick and moronic person I have ever come across.

They are NOT vast majority genuine cases you fool. That is why they are all males of fighting age coming from FRANCE. They are here for many reasons, one of them is NOT asylum in any way shape or form. Not wanting to burden our services and infrastructure is not a fear of foreigners you inverted racist pious fool. It is seeing an issue and knowing we cannot carry on like this. BTW, how fair you do think it is that landlords are being encouraged to house these people (government paid 100%) over our own homeless or families already on the waiting list for housing? I am sorry but you know it is a problem and wrong but like so many old racists trying to pay a penance for previous wrongs, you are acting pious etc. Deep down you know it is wrong.

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2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

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21 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Clueless. 
 

Where are you going to send these “economic migrants” back to?
 

They don’t turn up saying “hello, I’m here for a better life and job prospects”. They all pretend they’re asylum seekers fleeing war, and soft arsed lefties like you let them stay.
 

Anyone who ends up in France is safe. Whist understandable, all they’re fleeing is French people, not war. They’re making a “difficult and dangerous journey”not out of necessity, but out of choice. They’re deciding they’d rather live here than in France. If that’s not an economic migrant my cocks a carrot. 

So what are you saying should happen to those people who arrive from France? The French won't take them back.

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24 minutes ago, egg said:

 

So what are you saying should happen to those people who arrive from France? The French won't take them back.

Sorry @tdmickey3, not sure why you were quoted. I was replying just to LD.

[sadoldgit]

On 27/04/2025 at 10:43, Lord Duckhunter said:

Clueless. 
 

Where are you going to send these “economic migrants” back to?
 

They don’t turn up saying “hello, I’m here for a better life and job prospects”. They all pretend they’re asylum seekers fleeing war, and soft arsed lefties like you let them stay.
 

Anyone who ends up in France is safe. Whist understandable, all they’re fleeing is French people, not war. They’re making a “difficult and dangerous journey”not out of necessity, but out of choice. They’re deciding they’d rather live here than in France. If that’s not an economic migrant my cocks a carrot. 

How many migrants do you know? How many migrants have you interviewed? Or are you just parroting Farage? Of course you are.

Once again, you don’t have to stay in the first “safe” country you arrive in and many migrants want to come here and not stay in France because they speak English and not French or because they have relatives here. Why would economic migrants stay in France or go to Germany or another country rather than risk drowning?

It isn’t your cock that’s a carrot.

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

I cannot even begin to embarrass you on how many points you have wrong here. LD has already pretty much done it anyway. BTW, I live in a foreign country you pious racist twat. I am also married to an Asian lady and have mixed race kids. Yep, I am racist. Well done jackass. Jeez you are by far the most thick and moronic person I have ever come across.

They are NOT vast majority genuine cases you fool. That is why they are all males of fighting age coming from FRANCE. They are here for many reasons, one of them is NOT asylum in any way shape or form. Not wanting to burden our services and infrastructure is not a fear of foreigners you inverted racist pious fool. It is seeing an issue and knowing we cannot carry on like this. BTW, how fair you do think it is that landlords are being encouraged to house these people (government paid 100%) over our own homeless or families already on the waiting list for housing? I am sorry but you know it is a problem and wrong but like so many old racists trying to pay a penance for previous wrongs, you are acting pious etc. Deep down you know it is wrong.

Many racists are married to people of a different race or country. Farage is a prime example so you fail on that count.

Rather than listen to a fuming gammon (I can imagine the veins on your temple throbbing as you wrote that) I listen to people whose job it is to deal with these people. The fact that you use the phrase “of fighting age” shows that you have been brainwashed by the likes of Farage and Robinson (but then you are totally susceptible to a conspiracy theory). As has been said many many times by people who understand exactly what is going on, the vast majority of people arriving on these shores are found to meet the criteria of asylum. Labour have already published figures of those deported who do not meet the criteria so the system is working, albeit it slowly (due to lack of focus and resources by the previous government.

Go look up the definition of racist. It doesn’t just apply to white people.

[sadoldgit]

Incidentally nic, why is it that you get yourself so worked up over prospective migrants? Is it because you have been denied entry to the UK yourself?

[east-stand-nic]

43 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

How many migrants do you know? How many migrants have you interviewed? Or are you just parroting Farage? Of course you are.

Once again, you don’t have to stay in the first “safe” country you arrive in and many migrants want to come here and not stay in France because they speak English and not French or because they have relatives here. Why would economic migrants stay in France or go to Germany or another country rather than risk drowning?

It isn’t your cock that’s a carrot.

You are an utter fool. You know you do not believe all of that as well as we all know. You fool no one with your pious nonsense.

34 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Many racists are married to people of a different race or country. Farage is a prime example so you fail on that count.

Rather than listen to a fuming gammon (I can imagine the veins on your temple throbbing as you wrote that) I listen to people whose job it is to deal with these people. The fact that you use the phrase “of fighting age” shows that you have been brainwashed by the likes of Farage and Robinson (but then you are totally susceptible to a conspiracy theory). As has been said many many times by people who understand exactly what is going on, the vast majority of people arriving on these shores are found to meet the criteria of asylum. Labour have already published figures of those deported who do not meet the criteria so the system is working, albeit it slowly (due to lack of focus and resources by the previous government.

Go look up the definition of racist. It doesn’t just apply to white people.

Oh dear, massive fail. Facts are out there in black and white. We are being over run and our services cannot keep up with it. If you do indeed listen to those whose job it is, you would know it is an undeniable fact we are being overrun. You are just trying too hard now to seem like a lovely caring bloke, whereas we all know what a vile scumbag you are.

22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Incidentally nic, why is it that you get yourself so worked up over prospective migrants? Is it because you have been denied entry to the UK yourself?

LOL x 1m. I am a UK citiz4n you twat. And as mentioned before I have a vastly more experienced life than you in every way possible. I work in a foreign country where my rights are severely limited compared to that of the nationals. Do I complain? Not one bit. Why? Can you figure out why you racist old twat? Because I respect their country and integrate and try my best to bring value to their society. None of your fake mates getting off the boats in the UK do that. I have wasted too much time on you now and will reply no more as you are just not worth my spittle. You are a lying, pious, hypocritical racist and bitter old man.

[sadoldgit]

Awesome. You have reached new levels of stupidness nic.

Here is a little thought experiment for you. If I am such a racist why don’t I support the posts that you and Lord Carrot Dick make about migrants? If I am such a racist why did I support the BLM matter campaign? Why did I support players taking the knee? Why am I accused of being woke? How many “woke” people do you know who are racists?

If you struggle with these questions, perhaps you could ask your Asian wife for help? 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

You are an utter fool. You know you do not believe all of that as well as we all know. You fool no one with your pious nonsense.

Oh dear, massive fail. Facts are out there in black and white. We are being over run and our services cannot keep up with it. If you do indeed listen to those whose job it is, you would know it is an undeniable fact we are being overrun. You are just trying too hard now to seem like a lovely caring bloke, whereas we all know what a vile scumbag you are.

LOL x 1m. I am a UK citiz4n you twat. And as mentioned before I have a vastly more experienced life than you in every way possible. I work in a foreign country where my rights are severely limited compared to that of the nationals. Do I complain? Not one bit. Why? Can you figure out why you racist old twat? Because I respect their country and integrate and try my best to bring value to their society. None of your fake mates getting off the boats in the UK do that. I have wasted too much time on you now and will reply no more as you are just not worth my spittle. You are a lying, pious, hypocritical racist and bitter old man.

I really can’t be bothered going through your attempts to justify your bigotry nic but if you listen to anyone with an ounce of intelligence you will know that our problems stem from not having enough immigrants to work in the NHS or in the building sites. If you can’t get a doctors appointment it is not because of the people on small boats (who are a very small % of migrants) it is because we don’t have enough doctors and nurses, no matter what their skin colour or where they come from.

Your problem is that you listen to people like Trump and Farage and they feed into your bigoted conspiracy theory brain cells. It is common knowledge that these manipulators play on people like you’s fears of foreigners. You lap it up. Whatever the colour of your skin nic, you can still spout bigoted hatred (Badenoch, Patel, Braverman).

Funny that both you and Braverman use patronising language to try and disguise your basic bigotry. 

Go look at what dictators do down the years. They create something or someone for the proles to hate in order to manipulate them. Trump does it with the Mexicans. Farage does it with the people on small boats. All of our problems are down to them. Conspiracy theories (the ones you are so fond of). You can start with Orwell’s 1984. Report back when you have read it and tell us what you have learned.

PS. If you don’t live here, what makes you such an expert on what is happening here? And don’t just respond with your giant intellect crap.
 

Edited Monday at 13:34 by sadoldgit

[aintforever]

On 27/04/2025 at 10:43, Lord Duckhunter said:

Clueless. 
 

Where are you going to send these “economic migrants” back to?
 

They don’t turn up saying “hello, I’m here for a better life and job prospects”. They all pretend they’re asylum seekers fleeing war, and soft arsed lefties like you let them stay.
 

Anyone who ends up in France is safe. Whist understandable, all they’re fleeing is French people, not war. They’re making a “difficult and dangerous journey”not out of necessity, but out of choice. They’re deciding they’d rather live here than in France. If that’s not an economic migrant my cocks a carrot. 

The 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach so you are just talking shite as usual.

[Lord Duckhunter]

18 minutes ago, aintforever said:

The 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach so you are just talking shite as usual.

I couldn’t give a shiny shite what some outdated convention from the last century says. People coming over from France aren’t fleeing war or persecution. They just decided they’d rather live in the UK than France. 

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Awesome. You have reached new levels of stupidness nic.

Here is a little thought experiment for you. If I am such a racist why don’t I support the posts that you and Lord Carrot Dick make about migrants? If I am such a racist why did I support the BLM matter campaign? Why did I support players taking the knee? Why am I accused of being woke? How many “woke” people do you know who are racists?

If you struggle with these questions, perhaps you could ask your Asian wife for help? 

Because you are desperate to atone for previous wrongs you go so far the other way. A racist isn't just a white skinhead who goes out beating up people with a different skin colour. There are the pious, preachy arrogant types with their superiority complexes who think the poor old savages needs help but as long as it isn't on their doorstep and will happily tell everyone else what they should be doing. That's you that is. I mean who could forget your comments about cant possibly be racist because you've got a Muslim barber and a mixed race barmaid in your local. Tell me youre a racist without telling me you're a racist masterclass that was. 

Edited Monday at 19:58 by Turkish

[sadoldgit]

Read this nic. It might help you stop coming across as being totally ignorant.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/the-truth-about-asylum/

By the way, at least 14 children drowned last year crossing the Channel, as did a number of women. How does that fit in with your “men of fighting age” narrative?

Edited Monday at 14:17 by sadoldgit

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22 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I couldn’t give a shiny shite what some outdated convention from the last century says. People coming over from France aren’t fleeing war or persecution. They just decided they’d rather live in the UK than France. 

So what should happen to those people when they're here? France won't what them back. 

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

. They just decided they’d rather live in the UK than France. 

If you had to make the choice, wouldn't you ?

[Lord Duckhunter]

6 hours ago, egg said:

 

So what are you saying should happen to those people who arrive from France? The French won't take them back.

They should be sent to a safe and secure place to be processed. That could be a British overseas territory or a safe third party country who we’ve arranged a deal with. Obviously, being safe means they’ll be processed after people coming directly from unsafe countries, so could take a few years unfortunately. The ones that are genuine will eventually be granted asylum, and the ones that aren’t won’t be. If you’re not granted asylum, by definition you have committed an offence (you’ve tried to enter the UK illegally), so can be locked up for a few years. 
 

Therefore, if you’re in France you’ve these options. 
 

1. Stay in France

2. Go to another EU country 

3. Make a dangerous sea journey, after which you’ll be shipped to some god forsaken “safe” migrant camp. After a few years you’ll end up in the uk or face a few more years in prison. 

Which option do you think they’ll take. All options are safe & all get them out of harms way, 
 

Of course, there could be another outcome. There won’t be any boats to cross the channel because Starmer has “smashed the gangs”. 😂😂

[aintforever]

28 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I couldn’t give a shiny shite what some outdated convention from the last century says. People coming over from France aren’t fleeing war or persecution. They just decided they’d rather live in the UK than France. 

I disagree. If you are fleeing war or persecution you are a refugee regardless of where you decide to seek asylum. That is just a fact. How you get somewhere and wether it is legal or not also doesn’t change that fact IMO.

Edited Monday at 14:22 by aintforever

[egg]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They should be sent to a safe and secure place to be processed. That could be a British overseas territory or a safe third party country who we’ve arranged a deal with. Obviously, being safe means they’ll be processed after people coming directly from unsafe countries, so could take a few years unfortunately. The ones that are genuine will eventually be granted asylum, and the ones that aren’t won’t be. If you’re not granted asylum, by definition you have committed an offence (you’ve tried to enter the UK illegally), so can be locked up for a few years. 
 

Therefore, if you’re in France you’ve these options. 
 

1. Stay in France

2. Go to another EU country 

3. Make a dangerous sea journey, after which you’ll be shipped to some god forsaken “safe” migrant camp. After a few years you’ll end up in the uk or face a few more years in prison. 

Which option do you think they’ll take. All options are safe & all get them out of harms way, 
 

Of course, there could be another outcome. There won’t be any boats to cross the channel because Starmer has “smashed the gangs”. 😂😂

Thanks for the explanation. So basically the Rwanda plan, or a variation. Pending being sent off somewhere these people need to be accommodated. If you're against the housing proposal, where are they housed pending transportation? 

A willingness to smash the gangs surely is a good thing? Not sure why anyone would take issue with that. 

 

[sadoldgit]

28 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I couldn’t give a shiny shite what some outdated convention from the last century says. People coming over from France aren’t fleeing war or persecution. They just decided they’d rather live in the UK than France. 

And yet you speak as if you are still stuck in the last century. 🤔Oh the irony!

The figures would suggest that you are wrong. We also take one of the smaller percentages of asylum seekers here.

As for your comment about Starmer smashing the gangs. Where were those comments when a succession of Tory ministers presided over record levels of boat landings previously? It is going to take time to sort people trafficking out but at least they have made a start and aren’t messing about with pointless expensive gimmicks like the Rwanda scheme. The previous government shut down legal routes and did precious little about processing the asylum seekers already here. But then you know that. By the way, it would be a lot easier to get cooperation from EU countries if we were still in the EU.

[tdmickey3]

8 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They should be sent to a safe and secure place to be processed. That could be a British overseas territory or a safe third party country who we’ve arranged a deal with. Obviously, being safe means they’ll be processed after people coming directly from unsafe countries, so could take a few years unfortunately. The ones that are genuine will eventually be granted asylum, and the ones that aren’t won’t be. If you’re not granted asylum, by definition you have committed an offence (you’ve tried to enter the UK illegally), so can be locked up for a few years. 
 

Therefore, if you’re in France you’ve these options. 
 

1. Stay in France

2. Go to another EU country 

3. Make a dangerous sea journey, after which you’ll be shipped to some god forsaken “safe” migrant camp. After a few years you’ll end up in the uk or face a few more years in prison. 

Which option do you think they’ll take. All options are safe & all get them out of harms way, 
 

Of course, there could be another outcome. There won’t be any boats to cross the channel because Starmer has “smashed the gangs”. 😂😂

🤣Like Rwanda was a good idea, worked a treat

Bit like the oven ready brexit deal..... fuckin useless

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Like Rwanda was a good idea, worked a treat

Nothing like Rwanda, because the successful asylum seekers will end up in the UK. 🤡

Its just an overseas processing area. 

[sadoldgit]

I bet they are thankful that they are not refugees.

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Nothing like Rwanda, because the successful asylum seekers will end up in the UK. 🤡

Its just an overseas processing area. 

The principle of sending people to a foreign land after they arrive here is very much akin to Rwanda. Housing people for for years somewhere does not that somewhere a "processing area". 

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I really can’t be bothered going through your attempts to justify your bigotry nic but if you listen to anyone with an ounce of intelligence you will know that our problems stem from not having enough immigrants to work in the NHS or in the building sites. If you can’t get a doctors appointment it is not because of the people on small boats (who are a very small % of migrants) it is because we don’t have enough doctors and nurses, no matter what their skin colour or where they come from.

Your problem is that you listen to people like Trump and Farage and they feed into your bigoted conspiracy theory brain cells. It is common knowledge that these manipulators play on people like you’s fears of foreigners. You lap it up. Whatever the colour of your skin nic, you can still spout bigoted hatred (Badenoch, Patel, Braverman).

Funny that both you and Braverman use patronising language to try and disguise your basic bigotry. 

Go look at what dictators do down the years. They create something or someone for the proles to hate in order to manipulate them. Trump does it with the Mexicans. Farage does it with the people on small boats. All of our problems are down to them. Conspiracy theories (the ones you are so fond of). You can start with Orwell’s 1984. Report back when you have read it and tell us what you have learned.

PS. If you don’t live here, what makes you such an expert on what is happening here? And don’t just respond with your giant intellect crap.
 

As already stated, I will waste no more time with an idiots like you. You have taken valuable time from my life and I am not going to allow you to play these silly little games anymore, you are 100% wrong, you know it, I know it and most others with brains also know it. Cheerio.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, egg said:

The principle of sending people to a foreign land after they arrive here is very much akin to Rwanda. Housing people for for years somewhere does not that somewhere a "processing area". 

And very, very expensive per asylum seeker https://www.ippr.org/media-office/hidden-costs-of-rwanda-scheme-revealed-to-be-in-the-billions-finds-ippr

Given the old people who howled about the Winter Fuel allowance are the biggest supporters of Rwanda along with other Brexiteers and Red Wall seats, and the policy did not have anywhere near majority public support (just 16% thought it was VFM), who is actually footing the bill for the removal of 20k for an eye-watering cost of £2-4bn?

Faster processing and rejections as appropriate are way more cost effective, get numbers down and allow those under more serious consideration to work after 6 months:

https://odi.org/en/insights/the-cost-of-the-uks-rwanda-plan-lessons-for-eu-member-states/

Also, Israel found with their own Rwanda scheme that refugees sent there tried to head back to Europe almost immediately and was a colossal waste of money, hence they swiftly pulled the plug.

I wasn’t against Rwanda on ethical grounds - but the evidence shows clearly it’s hideously expensive and very ineffective on a much smaller sample size than needed.

Edited Monday at 14:53 by Gloucester Saint

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, east-stand-nic said:

As already stated, I will waste no more time with an idiots like you. You have taken valuable time from my life and I am not going to allow you to play these silly little games anymore, you are 100% wrong, you know it, I know it and most others with brains also know it. Cheerio.

Yet here you are replying 🤣

The boy who cried wolf 

[AlexLaw76]

The asylum system and/or some of the laws surrounding it should be drastically reformed and tightened

when you get some weirdo from a Middle Eastern shit hole, who claims they can’t go home because they like shoving fish fingers up their arse and get permission to stay, then it is way beyond broken.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

49 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

when you get some weirdo from a Middle Eastern shit hole, who claims they can’t go home because they like shoving fish fingers up their arse and get permission to stay

😂🤣 

Hopefully they will at least let the fingers cool down a bit from being under the grill first?

Edited Monday at 15:56 by Gloucester Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Read this nic. It might help you stop coming across as being totally ignorant.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/the-truth-about-asylum/

By the way, at least 14 children drowned last year crossing the Channel, as did a number of women. How does that fit in with your “men of fighting age” narrative?

Out of more than 36,000

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

😂🤣 

Hopefully they will at least let the fingers cool down a bit from being under the grill first?

😂 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yet here you are replying 🤣

The boy who cried wolf 

Indeed. You would think that someone with such a massive intellect would not bother with mere mortals like me. Sadly his intellect isn’t as massive as he would have us believe. He calls me pious yet I have expressed, nor do I have, any religious beliefs. Go look up the definition of pious nic.

[sadoldgit]

54 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Out of more than 36,000

And how many of them were “of fighting age” or women? Not that being a young man has the slightest baring on whether they are acceptable asylum seekers of course.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Indeed. You would think that someone with such a massive intellect would not bother with mere mortals like me. Sadly his intellect isn’t as massive as he would have us believe. He calls me pious yet I have expressed, nor do I have, any religious beliefs. Go look up the definition of pious nic.

looks very accurate 

 

pious adjective (PRETENDING)

 

disapproving

pretending to have sincere feelings:

Quit the pious apologies - I know you don't really care.

Edited Monday at 16:58 by Turkish

[Lord Duckhunter]

22 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

And very, very expensive per asylum seeker

Not if they stay in France it’s not. 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:54 by Lord Duckhunter