Sloppy seconds

[Football Special]

Loving the run of wins but can Tonda please sort out these sloppy second halves , that was so complacent tonight but follows a pattern where we take our foot off the gas and fall apart a bit. 

Is it just subs or tactical ? 

[St Chalet]

I thought the timing of the subs tonight were too early in the case of Leo, and too late for some of the others.

Both goals went in with players stripped ready to come on.

[Roo1976]

7 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Loving the run of wins but can Tonda please sort out these sloppy second halves , that was so complacent tonight but follows a pattern where we take our foot off the gas and fall apart a bit. 

Is it just subs or tactical ? 

That was my take on the 2nd 45,we just stopped playing and went backwards ,which was a bit worrying especially since we didnt turn up at all for most part in the second half. There needs to be a more decisive plan and firmness from the manager in playing tactics or we will come a cropper and we dont need sloppy seconds again do we? we seemed to fall back to our own goal line again................

[skintsaint]

Thought this was going to be about Bonnie Blue making a special appearance at the next home game..

[die Mannyschaft]

23 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Loving the run of wins but can Tonda please sort out these sloppy second halves , that was so complacent tonight but follows a pattern where we take our foot off the gas and fall apart a bit. 

Is it just subs or tactical ? 

Both, the subs are not at same level and intensity. Its very nervous and relegation type panic football.  We are playing with 10 or 9 and I cant see tge point in that. I don't see any game plan in 2nd half just put 5 subs on and see if our luck rus out.

WBA should have won 4-3. If we have 9 lives we only have 6 left.

[die Mannyschaft]

18 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

That was my take on the 2nd 45,we just stopped playing and went backwards ,which was a bit worrying especially since we didnt turn up at all for most part in the second half. There needs to be a more decisive plan and firmness from the manager in playing tactics or we will come a cropper and we dont need sloppy seconds again do we? we seemed to fall back to our own goal line again................

Spot on. We don't win headers, don't compete fully, keep giving ball away, cant make correct decisions on clearing ball out in 2nd half. 

[Patches O Houlihan]

1 hour ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

I think when we need to take Scienza and another attacker off we need to be able to switch to a different formation that accepts that we will play in a different style.

Arma's deep runs to collect the ball and set up breaks were clearly communicated to WBA players at half time. Besides Fellows and Scienza being heavily marked, there seemed to always be someone muscling Arma from behind as he dropped back for the ball in the second half.

Cam Archer hasn't learned to do the Arma drop deep yet, and is generally not as good at pressing or reading back passes to put pressure on their defence. We should stick with Robinson, but there is clearly a drop off in quality when he comes on which is fair enough being in mind his age/experience/ current value.

Hopefully in a week or two with a couple of key players returning we could have a few more options

First half same as usual:

                                    Baz

           THB.              Wood              Stephens/Quashie

Fellows              Downes      Jander                Manning

                    Azaz                      Scienza

                                  Arma

From 65 mins after establishing a lead start moving towards this:

                                    Baz

              THB             Wood            Stephens/Quashie

  Mads                Downes          Jander.             Welington

                                   Charles

                                                    Archer

                       Stewart

Also: Robinson, Romeu, Matski, Bragg, New Striker in Jan

This formation has our two more defensive minded FBs, plus a different type of attack to keep their defenders thinking, and a more solid central midfield. Of course we wouldn't always finish the game like this, they'd be variations. But you'd like to hope we could keep Ross fit if he's only playing 25-30 mins per match. Jander and Charles are capable of playing clever through balls for Archer who can play off the shoulder effectively. THB would need to continue to roam forward to offer support, and has been known to play a good long ball forward for Stewart. Wellington and Mads are both much better at stopping crosses coming in. Whilst I could see a benefit in going 433 I suspect we'd end up confusing our centre backs more than shoring things up.

 

1 hour ago, Greedyfly said:

I think it's down to fatigue, complacent attitude, still a bit shot shy, lack of proper options on the bench to replace the attacking threat up front, missing Charles and missing Stewart maybe. 

 

1 hour ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

Our front four; Arma, Scienza, Azaz, Fellows.

That has to be one of the strongest attacking groups in the league right now, possibly in the last few years if they can keep the pace of the last seven games. There is a massive drop off currently behind these guys. The more they tire, and the more of them you take off, the less of a threat we present, and the more pressure gets put on the defence. 

I think it's that simple. 

If you ask Scienza and Fellows to pace themselves for a whole match I don't think you see the first half play we've been seeing.