This Season - Carbon Copy of Wotte's Relegation of Den Bosch

[um pahars]

Cribbing the title from another thread I have to say that there are also similarities between our potential relegation and the fate that Den Bosch suffered when Wotte took over halfway through a season!!!

 

Den Bosch sacked their manager in March 2000 when they were struggling in the top flight. They brought in Wotte who had the task of turning their season around and keeping them up.

 

 

"By the time Den Bosch discovered there is still a big difference between first and second division football, fired coach Martin Koopman and started to strengthen its squad, it was too late.

 

Although their results and their football under new coach Mark Wotte improved strongly in the last two months, fellow strugglers SC Cambuur always stayed one step in front."

 

 

Wotte ultimately failed and they finished bottom, were relegated and subsequently went into the equivalent of administration!!!!!!!

 

But there is an upside, despite going down, Den Bosch won their last game 7-0!!!!

 

 

Wotte resigned in the summer, to be replaced by someone called Jan Poortvliet.

 

He steered them to promotion and this was the club the OS bigged up his success at (involving youngsters and being in financial difficulties with no money), it's just that they forgot to add the bit about Wotte's involvement in getting them to that position!!!!

[Thedelldays]

do behave and get behind the team ffs

 

 

so easy to have a bash at wotte and co. he is here to at least the last game of the season...and we have a far better cghance of staying up than you and many other claimed we would...

 

lets see

 

no wonder this site is dying of death and to be honest, not really missed it much whilst away and will not miss it much when I go again on wednesday

[SaintRobbie]

Oh god - I didn't realise that. So Wotte has form in being relegated in similar circumstances?

 

You couldnt write this script if Saints were a soap opera could you?!

 

Confidence levels in Wotte now completely shattered.

[Thedelldays]

Oh god - I didn't realise that. So Wotte has form in being relegated in similar circumstances?

 

You couldnt write this script if Saints were a soap opera could you?!

 

Confidence levels in Wotte now completely shattered.

i know what you mean

 

WGS had a record of relegating long standing prem teams before he came to saints...

 

arry ha d a record of doing well at teams before he came to save us...

 

 

oh.........

[SaintRobbie]

do behave and get behind the team ffs

 

 

so easy to have a bash at wotte and co. he is here to at least the last game of the season...and we have a far better cghance of staying up than you and many other claimed we would...

 

lets see

 

no wonder this site is dying of death and to be honest, not really missed it much whilst away and will not miss it much when I go again on wednesday

 

Whats wrong with posting that ? I'd say it's a key bit of info in assisting shaping opinions whether you're supporting the club every week or staying away because of Lowe.

Certainly not seen that myself before, pretty important I'd say knowing Wotte is a loser like Lowe.

[Thedelldays]

Whats wrong with posting that ? I'd say it's a key bit of info in assisting shaping opinions whether you're supporting the club every week or staying away because of Lowe.

Certainly not seen that myself before, pretty important I'd say knowing Wotte is a loser like Lowe.

like WGS was loser before coming..?

[SaintRobbie]

i know what you mean

 

WGS had a record of relegating long standing prem teams before he came to saints...

 

arry ha d a record of doing well at teams before he came to save us...

 

 

oh.........

 

Good point Dulldays. Very good point to be fair.

 

That said, Arry and WGS also have a record in doing well after Saints though too - which makes you wonder what went wrong AT Saints really.

 

I'm sure Wotte will do well in his next job.

[Lowestoft-Saint]

Forest away should be a great game then if we follow the pattern........

[Greenridge]

The worrying aspect is our recent form, no wins in four games. Wotte started slowly but we had the winning trio streak but results have dropped off since then just as we should be benefitting from him influencing the team with his strategy and tactics and team of his chosing. It's not over yet but every week that slips past without the desperately needed 3 points makes the task seem ever increasingly beyond our grasp.

[aintforever]

like WGS was loser before coming..?

 

I think Strach was stitched up by his chairman the season Coventry went down. If I remember rightly they flogged 3 of their best players, think it was McCallister, Robbie Keane and either Huckerby or Dublin.

[SaintRobbie]

like WGS was loser before coming..?

 

Good point... and WGS would have been a loser leaving us, had he not left of his own accord as he ...errr 'had to have a knee operation' and had 'promised his wife he'd only do a couple of years at Southampton', just after Lowe had failed to back him in the transfer market.

 

Think Wotte is more of a genius than WGS is then?

[Thedelldays]

Good point... and WGS would have been a loser leaving us, had he not left of his own accord as he ...errr 'got a knee operation to have resolved' and had 'promised his wife he'd only do a couple of years at Southampton', just after Lowe had failed to back him in the transfer market.

 

Think Wotte is a genius then?

I dont think wotte is a genius at all but will not write him off just yet

 

he is not far off (or doing better points per game) than pearson - who is seen as a living god on here...wotte is on a hiding to nothing mainly because he is lowes man...nothing else..some of the reactions to his comments are laughable and way OTT..

 

some want wotte to fail and admitted as such when he took over...that is how sad and utterly pathetic same fans are...

 

he might just keep us up (i dont think he will) and if he does THAT would be a miracle and better than what most have done at saints in recent history...

 

do I see him as a long term thing..? probably not, but to harp on about what a loser some think he is right now serves no purpose what so ever...he is not going anywhere as to be fair is doing better than what most of us thought...

 

so many (and they did) had us relegated by now (and some say it is all over) despite us being 4 points behind norwich who are what 3-4 places above us and a game in hand with some winable games left..!!!

[Thedelldays]

I think Strach was stitched up by his chairman the season Coventry went down. If I remember rightly they flogged 3 of their best players, think it was McCallister, Robbie Keane and either Huckerby or Dublin.

so....most managers sell their best, we did it/and do it year in year out...

 

I dont think cov fans are as forgiving about him

[SaintRobbie]

This story is interesting though (back to fred)...

 

Wotte relegates - drops a league and JP promotes using kids.

 

Now this time JP largely ensures relegation (although Wotte is running the club policy dont forget) and what happens next - Wotte promotes with kids?

 

Nah... dont think that reversal is going to work some how. Worrying thing is if we allow Lowe and by association Wotte to stay in the summer I have no doubts we'll see the kids out in League 1 a la the example given..................................... and we'll be in League 2 by May 2010.

[70's Mike]

I dont think wotte is a genius at all but will not write him off just yet

 

he is not far off (or doing better points per game) than pearson - who is seen as a living god on here...wotte is on a hiding to nothing mainly because he is lowes man...nothing else..some of the reactions to his comments are laughable and way OTT..

 

some want wotte to fail and admitted as such when he took over...that is how sad and utterly pathetic same fans are...

 

he might just keep us up (i dont think he will) and if he does THAT would be a miracle and better than what most have done at saints in recent history...

 

do I see him as a long term thing..? probably not, but to harp on about what a loser some think he is right now serves no purpose what so ever...he is not going anywhere as to be fair is doing better than what most of us thought...

 

so many (and they did) had us relegated by now (and some say it is all over) despite us being 4 points behind norwich who are what 3-4 places above us and a game in hand with some winable games left..!!!

 

 

it is your last 4 words that worry me because we have just had 3 winable games and won none,

after seeing all 3 of them i am struggling to see how we will win again this season

[Thedelldays]

it is your last 4 words that worry me because we have just had 3 winable games and won none,

after seeing all 3 of them i am struggling to see how we will win again this season

i agree....

 

but the same (cant see us winning again) has been said time and time again..

 

I remember before I left that fans would have been happy to get a point at home to cardiff..

 

I wonder how many predicted beating ipswich away..?

 

we have a chance and we are hard to beat too

[SaintRobbie]

i agree....

 

but the same (cant see us winning again) has been said time and time again..

 

I remember before I left that fans would have been happy to get a point at home to cardiff..

 

I wonder how many predicted beating ipswich away..?

 

we have a chance and we are hard to beat too

 

I admire your spirit to be honest and we all hope the same deep down or we wouldnt be fans. But head has ruled my heart for too long since Lowe returned and I am bored predicting the next **** up from him. We have a chance, we could have done this with a new manager who understood the league and a new chairman who'd have provided some optimism. As it is we are going down IMHO...

 

still its footy and stranger things have happened.

[Thedelldays]

I admire your spirit to be honest and we all hope the same deep down or we wouldnt be fans. But head has ruled my heart for too long since Lowe returned and I am bored predicting the next **** up from him. We have a chance, we could have done this with a new manager who understood the league and a new chairman who'd have provided some optimism. As it is we are going down IMHO...

 

still its footy and stranger things have happened.

i agree with you again

 

but to keep on at wotte now will serve nothing but a negative purpose...sure question his tactics and things he does during a game...but what was the point on the original post...?

 

wotte is here until at least 5pm after the forest game...at least and nothing we do will change that..the team have a far better chance of staying up than many of us SAID and thought would have..I would hope that we did all WE could in helping them stay up....

 

but hey ho...

[INFLUENCED.COM]

no wonder this site is dying of death

 

That bit made me laugh, the continued analysis, comparisons etc...do not because for me it is not an exact science proven by the examples offered up, we have improved on a points ratio since his appointment and as stated he is definatley here to the end of the season, along with Lowe, so i'll simply continue to believe we will survive.

[SaintRobbie]

i agree with you again

 

but to keep on at wotte now will serve nothing but a negative purpose...sure question his tactics and things he does during a game...but what was the point on the original post...?

 

wotte is here until at least 5pm after the forest game...at least and nothing we do will change that..the team have a far better chance of staying up than many of us SAID and thought would have..I would hope that we did all WE could in helping them stay up....

 

but hey ho...

 

I think that is the point though DDs - if he stays after the Forest game with his master (whether we stay up or relegate). If that is the case I sense alot of pain.

[Whitey Grandad]

Good point... and WGS would have been a loser leaving us, had he not left of his own accord as he ...errr 'had to have a knee operation' and had 'promised his wife he'd only do a couple of years at Southampton', just after Lowe had failed to back him in the transfer market.

 

Think Wotte is more of a genius than WGS is then?

I thought it was a hip operation? I read at the time that his settlement from Coventry had finally been sorted so he could afford to take some time off, but this would be a private matter between the two parties. As for Wotte, we can't really form an opinion until we see how the next few weeks pan out. Bright start but a bit of a slip back lately. Worrying times indeed.

[SaintRobbie]

I thought it was a hip operation? I read at the time that his settlement from Coventry had finally been sorted so he could afford to take some time off, but this would be a private matter between the two parties. As for Wotte, we can't really form an opinion until we see how the next few weeks pan out. Bright start but a bit of a slip back lately. Worrying times indeed.

 

Hip was it? OK. Out of interest, do you think WGS would have left if he had felt he had the resources to improve Saints? I dont think he would have.

 

The point I keep making about Wotte is that he hasnt just started as coach - he has been central to club policy from August. I have therefore made my mind up that the bloke is simply not good enough. Whether he saves us or not - he must go with Lowe in the summer.

[Whitey Grandad]

Hip was it? OK. Out of interest, do you think WGS would have left if he had felt he had the resources to improve Saints? I dont think he would have.

 

The point I keep making about Wotte is that he hasnt just started as coach - he has been central to club policy from August. I have therefore made my mind up that the bloke is simply not good enough. Whether he saves us or not - he must go with Lowe in the summer.

No, I agree that WGS might well have stayed if he felt that the club was going somewhere. He's not the only manager who has left us because of, let's call it, a 'lack of ambition'.

 

I'm also not that impressed by Wotte. When I heard that Poortvliet had gone I was quite excited for a few moments, until I heard who his replacement was.

[OldNick]

I sometimes can't work out if fans want us to fail just to prove a point. Wotte has done better than a lot of our previous managers, if he keeps us up he will have done better than most with a much wealer squad.

I would suggest we sharpen the knifes IF we go down and not keep trying to undermine the team now.

[Window Cleaner]

Good point Dulldays. Very good point to be fair.

 

That said, Arry and WGS also have a record in doing well after Saints though too - which makes you wonder what went wrong AT Saints really.

 

I'm sure Wotte will do well in his next job.

 

For WGS I couldn't say.

For Harry telling him to get results from a team without wheeling and dealing and counting the +/- column afterwards is like giving a fish a bicycle.

Redknapp knows what he's doing, his results elsewhere prove it, but you've got to give him a free hand , you have to let him wheel and deal freely, that's why he didn't take the job first time round, he saw it wouldn't work out as he likes it to.

[LostBoys]

I do not see that the comparison is relevant. We are not in this position due to Wotte. Equally I am not sure he can get us out of it and if there are more first half performances like the one at Blackpool he will not.

[um pahars]

do behave and get behind the team ffs

 

I have gotten behind Wotte since he has been here and I will support him and the team at every match I go to between now and the end of the season.

 

I have also said that i think he has done a pretty good job since taking over the reins, and if he does keep us up then he has done a very good job.

 

so easy to have a bash at wotte and co.

 

Maybe it's the way in which you read posts, because the intent was not to undermine or bash Wotte, instead I was merely pointing out that Wotte has found himself in very, very similar circumstances in recent times.

 

What happened at Den Bosch has minimal (if any) influence on what will happen to us, just highlighting how he had already come in halfway through a disastrous season and managed to improve things. Whether ours has a happy or sad ending is an entirely seperate thing 9and personally I think we will stay up).

 

(although I was happy to bash the OS and it's authors for their airbrusing of history).

[St_Tel49]

Oh god - I didn't realise that. So Wotte has form in being relegated in similar circumstances?

 

You couldnt write this script if Saints were a soap opera could you?!

 

Confidence levels in Wotte now completely shattered.

Why? According to UM's post their results improved strongly. I think that the point UP is making is that the key decision to bring him in was made too late in both situations.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Sod Wotte.

 

I just can't see us scoring 7 !!

 

7 goals until the end of the season maybe...

[SaintRobbie]

I do not see that the comparison is relevant. We are not in this position due to Wotte. Equally I am not sure he can get us out of it and if there are more first half performances like the one at Blackpool he will not.

 

You see I do think we are in this position because of Wotte. He has been the closest advisor to Lowe since August and filled Lowe's mind with sweety mice over the youth policy. It is only recently - with his own appointment and threat to his reputation (if he ever had one - see start of fred above!) - that there has been a policy change. It worked briefly, but now the CCC teams have realised they need to mark our only decent player (Saga) we're arguably a bit fooked.

 

I see Wotte holistically for what he's done since arriving in August - not for the recent increase in form, which has us in the same position anyway.

 

Also - to answer NickH's point - I do not believe we should openly stab Wotte right now, lets see if he can rescue his errrr 'reputation' - we have him now, and Lowe, until the end of the season. But I do believe we should be sharpening our knives. Whether we survive or not, neither Wotte or Lowe should keep their jobs. if they do its back to the youth nonesense in League 1 and Lowe's policy of consolidating his plc for profit...which will be almost nothing at best from now on in, so lets can the plc like Sheffield Utd have...oh yeah that involves Lowe being kicked out doesnt it!?

[miserableoldgit]

Oh god - I didn't realise that. So Wotte has form in being relegated in similar circumstances?

 

You couldnt write this script if Saints were a soap opera could you?!

 

Confidence levels in Wotte now completely shattered.

 

Surely this is the important bit :-

Although their results and their football under new coach Mark Wotte improved strongly in the last two months, fellow strugglers SC Cambuur always stayed one step in front

 

Perhaps they got him in too late? May be we have?

[SW11_Saint]

Oh god - I didn't realise that. So Wotte has form in being relegated in similar circumstances?

 

You couldnt write this script if Saints were a soap opera could you?!

 

Confidence levels in Wotte now completely shattered.

Thank God for our revolutionary board, and for the fact they didn't just "settle" for the work that Nigel Pearson had started last season... just imagine how boring this season would have been?!

[Northant Saint]

Whats wrong with posting that ? I'd say it's a key bit of info in assisting shaping opinions whether you're supporting the club every week or staying away because of Lowe.

Certainly not seen that myself before, pretty important I'd say knowing Wotte is a loser like Lowe.

 

You used to be quite positive once, now you have turned into a manic depressive.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Thank God for our revolutionary board, and for the fact they didn't just "settle" for the work that Nigel Pearson had started last season... just imagine how boring this season would have been?!

 

 

My thoughts entirely. All this talk of Wotte and whether he is the saviour of SFC seem to mask the fact that Lowe has royally f*cked this club over not once, but twice (or perhaps nearer ten times if you count the number of Managerial ****ups).

[SaintRobbie]

Surely this is the important bit :-

Although their results and their football under new coach Mark Wotte improved strongly in the last two months, fellow strugglers SC Cambuur always stayed one step in front

 

Perhaps they got him in too late? May be we have?

 

Or... its mirroring what has happened at Saints, improvement followed by relegation.

[SaintRobbie]

You used to be quite positive once, now you have turned into a manic depressive.

 

LOL! I know, I did once... I'm sorry. It all hapened when Lowe was reappointed and sadly I have not had a reason to overcome the depression that appointment brought at the time, the foolish decisions made and the results we now find ourselves with. I thought we'd bottomed out once Lowe left, we had to be honest (despite finances) as we had optimism. Now we've yet to bottom out again.

 

Still my friends still like me though!

[OldNick]

I have gotten behind Wotte since he has been here and I will support him and the team at every match I go to between now and the end of the season.

 

I have also said that i think he has done a pretty good job since taking over the reins, and if he does keep us up then he has done a very good job.

 

 

 

Maybe it's the way in which you read posts, because the intent was not to undermine or bash Wotte, instead I was merely pointing out that Wotte has found himself in very, very similar circumstances in recent times.

 

What happened at Den Bosch has minimal (if any) influence on what will happen to us, just highlighting how he had already come in halfway through a disastrous season and managed to improve things. Whether ours has a happy or sad ending is an entirely seperate thing 9and personally I think we will stay up).

 

(although I was happy to bash the OS and it's authors for their airbrusing of history).

UMp Im glad you pointed that out.I know you have a passion for saints as much if not greater than mine and was surprised that you would try and undermine the club by getting fans to lose the little faith they

still have.

I have to hold my hand up and think you were trying to do so , and admit i was wrong after that post.

[Greenridge]

... surprised that you would try and undermine the club by getting fans to lose the little faith they still have.

.

 

Your increasingly regular use of the phrase 'undermine the club' seems to be a very common one for you and to be honest is becoming a little tiresome. I don't believe any one truly wants to do this and for the life of me cannot see how comments made on a relatively small audienced forum can indeed do this. People are expressing an opinion, that is all, whether you agree with it or not is another matter but it's what the forum is for. Clearly all is not well with our club hence the position we find ourselves in in these troubled times.

[SaintRobbie]

Your increasingly regular use of the phrase 'undermine the club' seems to be a very common one for you and to be honest is becoming a little tiresome. I don't believe any one truly wants to do this and for the life of me cannot see how comments made on a relatively small audienced forum can indeed do this. People are expressing an opinion, that is all, whether you agree with it or not is another matter but it's what the forum is for. Clearly all is not well with our club hence the position we find ourselves in in these troubled times.

 

Correct. I think that's an important post. We all have opinions - thats football - but whats key is we all want to stay up and all want to advance. We actually all wish Wotte and Lowe well... just that it's pointless!

[OldNick]

Your increasingly regular use of the phrase 'undermine the club' seems to be a very common one for you and to be honest is becoming a little tiresome. I don't believe any one truly wants to do this and for the life of me cannot see how comments made on a relatively small audienced forum can indeed do this. People are expressing an opinion, that is all, whether you agree with it or not is another matter but it's what the forum is for. Clearly all is not well with our club hence the position we find ourselves in in these troubled times.

Im sorry if the word undermine is annoying to you, but that is how I see it.

As for your comment about a little forum means nothing I dont fully agree with that.

I suggest that the people on here are known to other fans who then strike up conversations. As we are all fully committed enough to chat about Saints we are some of the more vocal fans. Opinions can be made by reading listening to what is said.

Um and Duncan, Daren Wheeler have a great deal of weight in what they say compared to me who is an unknown. If we are so important why was the site used by PR people when the Wilde bunch came on the scene and MW actually used the site.

At present we are in a crucial stage of the clubs health.The main protagonists on the board have thankfully shut up and the club is moving together as 1 in an uneasy alliance.

Wotte had a difficult job with the fans in the first place as he was RL's appointment and also his criticism of the marchers.He is slowly and grudgingly getting a little respect and so we dont need the little bit of that lost by showing up and perhaps undermining the little confidence he has gained.

Every little negative can hurt the club.

Im happy to hold fire and see if we stay up before pointing fingers.

I myself think that whatever happens now Wotte should be given a run at the job, as for RL well that is a different ball game.

[Greenridge]

Im sorry if the word undermine is annoying to you, but that is how I see it.

As for your comment about a little forum means nothing I dont fully agree with that.

I suggest that the people on here are known to other fans who then strike up conversations. As we are all fully committed enough to chat about Saints we are some of the more vocal fans. Opinions can be made by reading listening to what is said.

Um and Duncan, Daren Wheeler have a great deal of weight in what they say compared to me who is an unknown. If we are so important why was the site used by PR people when the Wilde bunch came on the scene and MW actually used the site.

At present we are in a crucial stage of the clubs health.The main protagonists on the board have thankfully shut up and the club is moving together as 1 in an uneasy alliance.

Wotte had a difficult job with the fans in the first place as he was RL's appointment and also his criticism of the marchers.He is slowly and grudgingly getting a little respect and so we dont need the little bit of that lost by showing up and perhaps undermining the little confidence he has gained.

Every little negative can hurt the club.

Im happy to hold fire and see if we stay up before pointing fingers.

I myself think that whatever happens now Wotte should be given a run at the job, as for RL well that is a different ball game.

 

I don't disagree with anything above however you do seem to take criticism of the Club very personally. We all love the Club and hate to see it in it's current state but clearly things are wrong and the forum is as good a place as any to chew the fat over these points. There's no point pretending it's all a garden or roses which I know you don't. Without debate the forum would be left with a couple of matchday threads and that would be it.

 

I just don't see how comments regarding the state of the Club can 'undermine' what the team are trying to achieve unless Wotte comes on here and becomes disheartened at what he reads and goes home and sulks. Sorry I don't think that happens. The team have had very good support this year despite what they have served up in terms of performances. OK, it might not be the numbers but the support in the ground on match days, which is when it matters, has been pretty damned good.

[FloridaMarlin]

For WGS I couldn't say.

For Harry telling him to get results from a team without wheeling and dealing and counting the +/- column afterwards is like giving a fish a bicycle.

Redknapp knows what he's doing, his results elsewhere prove it, but you've got to give him a free hand , you have to let him wheel and deal freely, that's why he didn't take the job first time round, he saw it wouldn't work out as he likes it to.

 

Proves the great unspoken truth about Redknapp - that he is not a very good coach.

 

He is only good if he has unlimited use of the club credit card, and can ship loads of players in, probably on the basis that if he has enough, he is bound to get lucky and pick 11 that are any good.

 

However, give him a squad of players and ask him to largely work with them and he's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit.

 

And don't bring up the old chestnut about what a great wheeler-dealer he is in the market.

 

I think we saw he's not with the likes of Davenport, Bernard etc.

 

And let's not forget Florian Raducioiu, Paul Futre, Marco Boogers and Richard Hall!

[SaintRobbie]

Proves the great unspoken truth about Redknapp - that he is not a very good coach.

 

He is only good if he has unlimited use of the club credit card, and can ship loads of players in, probably on the basis that if he has enough, he is bound to get lucky and pick 11 that are any good.

 

However, give him a squad of players and ask him to largely work with them and he's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit.

 

And don't bring up the old chestnut about what a great wheeler-dealer he is in the market.

 

I think we saw he's not with the likes of Davenport, Bernard etc.

 

And let's not forget Florian Raducioiu, Paul Futre, Marco Boogers and Richard Hall!

 

Did he have an open chequebook at Pompey then?

 

'Anne Frank's drum kit!' ... coffee over my keyboard due to that!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Good point... and WGS would have been a loser leaving us, had he not left of his own accord as he ...errr 'had to have a knee operation' and had 'promised his wife he'd only do a couple of years at Southampton', just after Lowe had failed to back him in the transfer market.

 

Think Wotte is more of a genius than WGS is then?

 

As has been said about a million times on this forum, that is not why he left us.

[SaintRobbie]

As has been said about a million times on this forum, that is not why he left us.

 

Really? Do tell us why he left.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Really? Do tell us why he left.

 

I can't say on here, but I can PM you with it.

[Thedelldays]

and me

[ottery st mary]

do behave and get behind the team ffs

 

 

so easy to have a bash at wotte and co. he is here to at least the last game of the season...and we have a far better cghance of staying up than you and many other claimed we would...

 

lets see

 

no wonder this site is dying of death and to be honest, not really missed it much whilst away and will not miss it much when I go again on wednesday

 

We all missed you and your informative and consistent posts.:---)

[Channon's Sideburns]

I can't say on here, but I can PM you with it.

 

Me too please DPS..

[ottery st mary]

Proves the great unspoken truth about Redknapp - that he is not a very good coach.

 

He is only good if he has unlimited use of the club credit card, and can ship loads of players in, probably on the basis that if he has enough, he is bound to get lucky and pick 11 that are any good.

 

However, give him a squad of players and ask him to largely work with them and he's about as much use as Anne Frank's drum kit.

 

And don't bring up the old chestnut about what a great wheeler-dealer he is in the market.

 

I think we saw he's not with the likes of Davenport, Bernard etc.

 

And let's not forget Florian Raducioiu, Paul Futre, Marco Boogers and Richard Hall!

 

 

Similar policy to Saints in your theory regarding Arry. Here at St Marys they have signed about 20 odd nobodies and The Dutch crew haven't done a thing with them...They get an Arry type player from Holland..One Size..and he is quite good for us..So Like Arry one in twenty is a sucess;)