exit2 Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/saveoursaints/ Without knowing what the many other interested parties are bringing to the table, we here at SaintsWeb are unable to formally back any one bid for the club (although it is clear that the fans behind the "Save Our Saints" proposal have put in a hell of a lot of work to ensure the figures stack up). However, we are prepared to offer exposure to this option on a "last resort" basis, and as such we are asking supporters to offer pledges using the form on the link. No money will be asked for until indications are received from the administrator that an acceptable bid from the other interested parties is unlikely to be forthcoming, which will then make the "Save Our Saints" bid crucial to the ongoing existence of the club. So for those of you who have stated an interest please make an offical pledge and pass on the word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 15 April, 2009 Share Posted 15 April, 2009 COYR - get pledging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I have pledged but if I want to increase the pledge what do I do? Revise the pledge or pledge again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singapore Saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I'm all the way in Singapore so will have to TT the money to you. It normally takes 4 working days to send money to UK from Singapore so I probably should send it now because by the time you need it, my money might not reach you in time. Could I TT my pledge to you now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Can I ask who is being this initiative? Whilst I basically not behind a fans consortium, I cant say that if it came to crunch time that my emotions wouldn't rule my head; so it would be nice to know who was organising this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I'm all the way in Singapore so will have to TT the money to you. It normally takes 4 working days to send money to UK from Singapore so I probably should send it now because by the time you need it, my money might not reach you in time. Could I TT my pledge to you now? Simple answer is "no". Slightly longer answer is that no account has been set up yet in order to take the money - as far as I'm aware, the guys behind SOS are very determined to ensure that the account has as much security and protection for all deposits as possible so there can be no potential accusations of people taking donations and then running off with the cash etc. SaintsWeb isn't involved in this process - as I've stated on the pledge site, I'm in no position to back it without knowing what any of the other potential buyers are bringing to the table, and as a result we're not willing to use the site itself to actually take money from people for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 ... I'm in no position to back it without knowing what any of the other potential buyers are bringing to the table, and as a result we're not willing to use the site itself to actually take money from people for this. I appreciated your caution Steve but isn't this option intended to go into action ONLY if the are NO other potential buyers. I don't understand your logic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rational Rich Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 If this is ever going to fly, you will need to get some proper professional advice (accountancy and lawyers), but there is no point incurring the fees until it is absolutely necessary. Also, you will need a suitable vehicle for the acquisition to be made by. Many people have pointed out that such a vehicle exists in the form of the Saints Trust (its and Industrial and Provident Society, i.e. a not for profit legal entity with a constitution etc see: http://www.saintstrust.co.uk/about.php) and this could save a lot of time and costs. Have discussions been held with the current Trust committee members about this in case it ever is required? Now would be the time to do it so contingency plans can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 If this is ever going to fly, you will need to get some proper professional advice (accountancy and lawyers), but there is no point incurring the fees until it is absolutely necessary. Also, you will need a suitable vehicle for the acquisition to be made by. Many people have pointed out that such a vehicle exists in the form of the Saints Trust (its and Industrial and Provident Society, i.e. a not for profit legal entity with a constitution etc see: http://www.saintstrust.co.uk/about.php) and this could save a lot of time and costs. Have discussions been held with the current Trust committee members about this in case it ever is required? Now would be the time to do it so contingency plans can be made. The saints trust has at this time been ruled out. The intention is to set up whatever is required on a tailored basis should the need arise. We have no wish to take on board a warts and all situation with historical baggage. There are numerous people in the background from these and other professions who have inundated us with offers of advice and assistance when and if the need arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 (edited) I appreciated your caution Steve but isn't this option intended to go into action ONLY if the are NO other potential buyers. I don't understand your logic here. You are correct, but Steve has been an immense help, and it is entirely sensible that he is protective and sensitive to the interests of saintsweb. In any event, if the need arises there will be a panic from the media, the city, and the fans to try and save the saints. The account details would be published here, in the media and people would pay direct into the bank account. Edited 16 April, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Having looked at the proposal slides, what is not given is a calculation of antcipated annual revenues. I appreciated there are hundreds of variables given the numbers potentially contributing varuious amounts, but the £10 a game deal will impact on overall revenues too. What would the group consider a reasonable annual working budget in the CCC or League 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 where can we find info about the group's proposals to help us decide whether we would pledge or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 (edited) Having looked at the proposal slides, what is not given is a calculation of antcipated annual revenues. I appreciated there are hundreds of variables given the numbers potentially contributing varuious amounts, but the £10 a game deal will impact on overall revenues too. What would the group consider a reasonable annual working budget in the CCC or League 1? Don't bother Frank, it hinges on so many imponderables, I wouldn't even dream of giving the subject thought at the moment. The only situation that this initiative will see the light of day is if there are no buyers and the club is going out of business. In the unlikely event of a preferred bidder not being able to close a bid we could appeal to be able to assist the bid. The whole criteria in the event would be to live within the income and don't spend what the club hasn't got. That is the only criteria to consider and the only time any money would be required. The only caveat is that if there was a good buyer who was unable to close a deal then an appeal to help that bid could be considered. Edited 16 April, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 where can we find info about the group's proposals to help us decide whether we would pledge or not? click on the link on the first post on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 In the original pledge thread was it not hundreds of thousands calculated, so are those people on holiday or full of **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 In the original pledge thread was it not hundreds of thousands calculated, so are those people on holiday or full of **** Or keen to know specific details of where/to whom their money is going ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 click on the link on the first post on this thread thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 not looking good at only £63k pledged currently though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 not looking good at only £63k pledged currently though. Nearly £65K but from only 60 contributors - over £1K each. Clearly with MUCH more publicity it would not impossible to raise the money. At that level, only 1% (2000 people) of the fan database could contribute £2mill. Or has it been that long since I did A-level math? Don't say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Nearly £65K but from only 60 contributors - over £1K each. Clearly with MUCH more publicity it would not impossible to raise the money. At that level, only 1% (2000 people) of the fan database could contribute £2mill. Or has it been that long since I did A-level math? Don't say yes. In a nutshell, there is firstly apathy outside the site, secondly news is a one hit business, getting the media to keep this going is difficult, thirdly it won't really kick off until the administrator comes out and says 'that's it, we don't have a buyer, it's the backup plan or we're finished' That's when the media will kick in, the fans will go into panic mode and the incentive is there to save the club. At the moment the public are working on the assumption that it won't happen to us, that we are too big, valuable etc, somebody is bound to buy us. We shall see, the important thing is to be ready to act if things go badly. Pledges are all very well but are an indication of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 not looking good at only £63k pledged currently though. And let's be realistic, how many of those who clicked their mouse on a box would stump up if called to. It's not like it's a legally binding commitment i wouldn't think. Anyone could turn round and say the dog jumped up and clicked the mouse. £63K is a lot of money but in the scheme of things it's peanuts. An idea born out of good intentions, but not realistic sadly. This is out of our hands and all we can do is pack st marys out for the last game and show investors that SFC could be worth a punt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 And let's be realistic, how many of those who clicked their mouse on a box would stump up if called to. It's not like it's a legally binding commitment i wouldn't think. Anyone could turn round and say the dog jumped up and clicked the mouse. £63K is a lot of money but in the scheme of things it's peanuts. An idea born out of good intentions, but not realistic sadly. This is out of our hands and all we can do is pack st marys out for the last game and show investors that SFC could be worth a punt. Only realistic if it is all there is, pledges mean nothing. If push comes to shove and there are no buyers the club can only be saved by the public will or go under because not enough care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Only realistic if it is all there is, pledges mean nothing. If push comes to shove and there are no buyers the club can only be saved by the public will or go under because not enough care. I for one have not contributes to the buckets as I se it as simply throwing money to the administrator pending a serious bid. However, if at the last minute we faced the club disappearing, I am up for it which is why I have pledged - and will follow it through. I believe that many others have the same feeling re bucket collections (rightly or wrongly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 I for one have not contributes to the buckets as I se it as simply throwing money to the administrator pending a serious bid. However, if at the last minute we faced the club disappearing, I am up for it which is why I have pledged - and will follow it through. I believe that many others have the same feeling re bucket collections (rightly or wrongly) It's a pity the money wasn't collected to fund a guarenteed sale for the extra tickets for Forest as i have a sneaky feeling that could the reason we might not get extra tickets... Remember Tottenham away? If and when the money was recuperated it could have been donated to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 I've already pledged on this forum. Is this to renew previous pledges or to add to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 3 months BWP wages so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 I've already pledged on this forum. Is this to renew previous pledges or to add to them? No, to measure the level of support outside the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 18 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 April, 2009 No, to measure the level of support outside the site. Sorry Derry but I dont buy it. I have looked for other avenues advertising the pldege site and have not seen any. As said before on here, anyone can click on an ammount, the actual site should be the one that takes the lead on this on not the poll on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Sorry Derry but I dont buy it. I have looked for other avenues advertising the pldege site and have not seen any. As said before on here, anyone can click on an ammount, the actual site should be the one that takes the lead on this on not the poll on here. It's been on Solent with Kevin James, Mike Osman, Stuart Dennis on Radio Hampshire, Wave 105, The Echo haven't delivered apart from the first two days, they are supposed to be doing a howgozit panel daily with the address. We need to see what is happening outside the site, pledges mean little until the administrator announces imminent closure, If that doesn't concentrate minds to contribute money nothing will. At that point the publicity and reaction should gee everybody to focus on saving the club. It may well be, there isn't real support outside the hardcore supporters to save the club. We are very much in the hands of the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 No, to measure the level of support outside the site. So I don't need to pledge twice then. My pledge still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 So I don't need to pledge twice then. My pledge still stands. In the end it's whether you honour it if cash is required. It doesn't matter where you pledged, it's the honouring of the pledge that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 In the end it's whether you honour it if cash is required. It doesn't matter where you pledged, it's the honouring of the pledge that counts. Maybe it is about time some of our so called players started honouring their contract agreements and actually started playing for this club. I find it quite distatseful that the fans are being asked to pledge their hard earned cash into helping save a few dozen over paid , under performing tossers who have ruined this once proud club. No matter if the fans take over , which i doubt would ever happen , the situation where players are earning more money per week that most average people earn in a month who do not fully understand what a club means to it's fans . If the players cannot step up to the mark over the last few weeks knowing the clubs perilous position , then whats the point in giving them more money to waste , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Maybe it is about time some of our so called players started honouring their contract agreements and actually started playing for this club. I find it quite distatseful that the fans are being asked to pledge their hard earned cash into helping save a few dozen over paid , under performing tossers who have ruined this once proud club. No matter if the fans take over , which i doubt would ever happen , the situation where players are earning more money per week that most average people earn in a month who do not fully understand what a club means to it's fans . If the players cannot step up to the mark over the last few weeks knowing the clubs perilous position , then whats the point in giving them more money to waste , You are absolutely spot on, I suspect the average Sotonian/fan feels the same way. I have long felt that, but didn't voice the opinion, now I think it is the single biggest impediment. If there is going to be a club in the future it has to get back to basics and budget for no more than 50% of income on the playing side. Get the scouting network up and running at div 1/2 and non league level and concentrate on character/pace/strength/ability. Bring through the kids in conjunction and pay for a couple of first class (at this level) player coaches. It is looking likely that the locals won't back the club, who can blame them. It has been a centre of underachievement and arrogance for too long now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt77 Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Ladies and Gents, I'm not a fully paid up member so can not add this as a new thread but would appreciate it if someone could. We are currently organising a charity day at Goodies fish and chip shops in Totton, Chandlers Ford and Romsey. All takings (not just profits) from the day will be donated to SFC to help with the current financial difficulties. The day will kick off at 11.30am until close at approx 9.30pm. There will be an auction/raffle in the Totton shop of football memorabilia which we are currently collecting and would gladly take more if people have anything they would like to donate. The event will be covered by the Daily Echo and will also be menioned before Saturdays home game. We are hoping to get a player to turn up for photos/autographs but this is TBC. Please come along have your fish and chips at a reduced rate and support the club. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 If you love the club as much as it seems then £5 would enable you to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Ladies and Gents, I'm not a fully paid up member so can not add this as a new thread but would appreciate it if someone could. We are currently organising a charity day at Goodies fish and chip shops in Totton, Chandlers Ford and Romsey. All takings (not just profits) from the day will be donated to SFC to help with the current financial difficulties. The day will kick off at 11.30am until close at approx 9.30pm. There will be an auction/raffle in the Totton shop of football memorabilia which we are currently collecting and would gladly take more if people have anything they would like to donate. The event will be covered by the Daily Echo and will also be menioned before Saturdays home game. We are hoping to get a player to turn up for photos/autographs but this is TBC. Please come along have your fish and chips at a reduced rate and support the club. Matt TBC ?? when did we sign him , also is there an option for Skate and chips ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I'm just wondering if Mr Fry's 'contingency plans' include our pledges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 May, 2009 Share Posted 6 May, 2009 I'm just wondering if Mr Fry's 'contingency plans' include our pledges. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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