Mole Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 It's something we've all done in the past, but i respect Baj's instruction for it to stop as clearly there has been a threat made by someone whose articles have been copied. Are you allowed to copy and paste an article if you also provide a link to the article? I'm sure when this subject came up before this is what we were told to do. If the situation has changed and theres no copying and pasting allowed even with a link it's no problem, but can this be clarified please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 When writing dissertations, students are allowed to 'quote' other people's work as long as this is referenced. Surely that would be the same on here? In other words, to echo Stanley, if I pasted an extract from a newspaper article, as long as I also referenced that article by also posting the link, I'm doing nothing wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Links are OK, arent they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Can we copy and paste a sentence in order to discuss it or are we not even allowed to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 As i read it it's a question of not copying and pasting a whole article from a site. I'm sure quoting the odd line here or there will be fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 It's something we've all done in the past, but i respect Baj's instruction for it to stop as clearly there has been a threat made by someone whose articles have been copied. Are you allowed to copy and paste an article if you also provide a link to the article? I'm sure when this subject came up before this is what we were told to do. If the situation has changed and theres no copying and pasting allowed even with a link it's no problem, but can this be clarified please. I don't see what your problem is. Baj' s instruction seems perfectly clear and reasonable and if nothing else cuts down on the length of threads with people repeatedly copying in the same link. Just provide the link and if people are to lazy to follow it that's their problem no one elses. Errors can be made in copying that can alter the original article I would have thought and there is in fact many risks not least that someone thinks it's the forum who have published it first or repeating a libellous comment from another source. Is this worth a new thread? Do you want this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Ive never understood why people have to copy and past in the first place. Surley a link is easy enough to follow, or are people that lazy they cant be bothered to follow a link and have to have the info dished up on a plate. It makes the thread on here longer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Good job Keith doesn't still do his match reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Surely we can repect Baj's instructions. It's no big deal to click on a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Surely we can repect Baj's instructions. It's no big deal to click on a link. Generally yes. But sometimes the linked article is so long and the crucial point buried in the middle, that it's useful to be able to just print out that crucial point. I'm very guilty of posting links that are very long and generally obscure apart from one point :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I don't see what your problem is. Baj' s instruction seems perfectly clear and reasonable and if nothing else cuts down on the length of threads with people repeatedly copying in the same link. Just provide the link and if people are to lazy to follow it that's their problem no one elses. Errors can be made in copying that can alter the original article I would have thought and there is in fact many risks not least that someone thinks it's the forum who have published it first or repeating a libellous comment from another source. Is this worth a new thread? Do you want this forum? I don't have a problem Sundance, i was just asking for clarification as this matter has been raised before and the guidance given from the mods was that it was ok to paste articles if a link was also posted. If this has now change then fine. As to the tone of your post then it's clear you are just trolling so no change there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Ive never understood why people have to copy and past in the first place. Surley a link is easy enough to follow, or are people that lazy they cant be bothered to follow a link and have to have the info dished up on a plate. It makes the thread on here longer as well. Take fitzhugh's post re the guardian yesterday. I read the article but skimmed over the bit that said about the 40 million. In that case quoting part of the article was important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Certainly as far as the Echo are concerned, they are quite happy for people to quote a relevant individual paragraph or comment for people to discuss, as long as there is also a link to the referring article. I think that should probably be taken as a reasonable guideline for all sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Generally yes. But sometimes the linked article is so long and the crucial point buried in the middle, that it's useful to be able to just print out that crucial point. I'm very guilty of posting links that are very long and generally obscure apart from one point :oops: Then I suppose that we will have to post the link and add some instructions as to where to find the relevant snippet. I don't think that quoting a couple of words would infringe anybody's sensitivities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 It's political correctness gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2009 It's political correctness gone mad. It's got nothing to do with political correctness - that is a completely different subject. This is about copyright. The fixture list is copyrighted and without dataco authoristaion you cannot reproduce them. Now that is completely nonsensical imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I can’t believe I’m contributing to a discussion on the matter!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenwilkins Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Certainly as far as the Echo are concerned, they are quite happy for people to quote a relevant individual paragraph or comment for people to discuss, as long as there is also a link to the referring article. I think that should probably be taken as a reasonable guideline for all sources. Which is different from the sticky. Can we have some clarification on a sticky before Baz starts giving people 100 lines please Steve? I understand if you've had contact form the Guardian although I didn't much like the threatening tone of it. I imagine the main Guardian reader on here is that well known subversive Fitzhugh Fella, so he'll probably ignore the instructions anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I don't have a problem Sundance, i was just asking for clarification as this matter has been raised before and the guidance given from the mods was that it was ok to paste articles if a link was also posted. If this has now change then fine. As to the tone of your post then it's clear you are just trolling so no change there. Like I say i don't see why you need to ask for clarification. Seems like a reasonable rule change and you could have asked Baj in a pm. Why publicise it Stanley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Good job Keith doesn't still do his match reports I miss those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 It's political correctness gone mad. No, it's copyright law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Like I say i don't see why you need to ask for clarification. Seems like a reasonable rule change and you could have asked Baj in a pm. Why publicise it Stanley? Is this not a forum for discussion any more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Like I say i don't see why you need to ask for clarification. Seems like a reasonable rule change and you could have asked Baj in a pm. Why publicise it Stanley? I thought about pming the question, but considered the answer was in the interests of all forum users. The replies to thread have shown that clarification is in the interests of forum users. SG has answered the question, although confirmation from Baj that this is acceptable practice would be appreciated. That all said i'm sure Baj will appreciate you speaking on his behalf. Who wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Which is different from the sticky. Can we have some clarification on a sticky before Baz starts giving people 100 lines please Steve? I understand if you've had contact form the Guardian although I didn't much like the threatening tone of it. I imagine the main Guardian reader on here is that well known subversive Fitzhugh Fella, so he'll probably ignore the instructions anyway. I'm surprised the Guardian even run reports on competitve sports as most of their readership IMO are against it. I suspect a general match report from the Guardian would be - Both teams gave a good account of themselves and tried their hardest and their managers were very proud of how they represented their clubs. That said when it goes all wrong for those nasty competitive, shouty footballer types I expect the tone gets a little more zealous and the finger a bit more pointy. The Guardian, ffs, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Is this not a forum for discussion any more? Indeed, but this is discussing the rules of the forum. Not happy with those don't post, happens to us all. Still Stan can be justified as 3 or 4 have expressed their concern - there are more Lowe luvvies than posters worried about copying articles from other sources so time for a pm. Still nothing else to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I'm surprised the Guardian even run reports on competitve sports as most of their readership IMO are against it. I suspect a general match report from the Guardian would be - Both teams gave a good account of themselves and tried their hardest and their managers were very proud of how they represented their clubs. That said when it goes all wrong for those nasty competitive, shouty footballer types I expect the tone gets a little more zealous and the finger a bit more pointy. The Guardian, ffs, no. More of the usual clap-trap from you, I see. The Guardian reports well on football, although not as much on CCC and lower leagues as I would like to see. What the Guardian does well is to report factually instead of screaming (and usually 'economical with the truth') banner headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Like I say i don't see why you need to ask for clarification. Seems like a reasonable rule change and you could have asked Baj in a pm. Why publicise it Stanley? Get a grip mate, what are you harping on about? It's also obvious that you have an issue with Stanley so are looking to find something to justify it - hence your nonsense on this thread. Couldn't you PM Stanley as opposed to banging your gums about a non-issue. I was unsure of the instruction too so I am happy that the thread clarified the issue that Stanley raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Stanley - 15 Canteen - love ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I assume this applies in reverse? i.e. The press will no longer be lifting/quoting from here? And are we allowed to use scanners instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Ive never understood why people have to copy and past in the first place. Surley a link is easy enough to follow, or are people that lazy they cant be bothered to follow a link and have to have the info dished up on a plate. It makes the thread on here longer as well. How do you attach a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Online newspapers make their money from adverts people see when reading them. If we copy and paste articles they potentially lose a revenue stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Online newspapers make their money from adverts people see when reading them. If we copy and paste articles they potentially lose a revenue stream. So I assume we can take a cut of the revenue by providing links and directing people at their sites? We should be able to make a fair amount of commission out of this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 What the Guardian does well is to report factually instead of screaming (and usually 'economical with the truth') banner headlines. Not forgetting the 64 pages of 'new' public sector job adverts every week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Not forgetting the 64 pages of 'new' public sector job adverts every week.... Good job their readers have pads on their elbow jackets. That's a lot of page turning in the local library. Trousers are you looking forward to the release of 'Angels and Demons' in a cinema near you soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Good job their readers have pads on their elbow jackets. That's a lot of page turning in the local library. Ah...good point. I feel we're finding some common ground at last Trousers are you looking forward to the release of 'Angels and Demons' in a cinema near you soon. Yes indeed. I hear it got rave reviews at the Sundance Film festival this year. Yours, Ron Howard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 As far as I'm aware, most websites/publications allow the copying and pasting of a paragraph or paragraphs from within an article, so long as it's accompanied by a link to the full article. Most frown upon a full C&P job though, as it makes the link rather redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 I thought about pming the question, but considered the answer was in the interests of all forum users. The replies to thread have shown that clarification is in the interests of forum users. SG has answered the question, although confirmation from Baj that this is acceptable practice would be appreciated. That all said i'm sure Baj will appreciate you speaking on his behalf. Who wouldn't. I was pleased you started the thread because it saves me having to start one. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 Can we copy and paste a sentence in order to discuss it or are we not even allowed to do that? Copyright Hypochondriac - Comment #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 ;-)Ah...good point. I feel we're finding some common ground at last Yes indeed. I hear it got rave reviews at the Sundance Film festival this year. Yours, Ron Howard. I think Ron Howard films maybe a little bit too mainstream even for Utah. BTW you're so far up the wrong tree with that link you will never believe the truth, alledgedly. Don't bother asking though as it requires a leap of faith of Daniel Brownesque proportions. Actually, if I was a betting man you probably already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 As far as I'm aware, most websites/publications allow the copying and pasting of a paragraph or paragraphs from within an article, so long as it's accompanied by a link to the full article. Most frown upon a full C&P job though, as it makes the link rather redundant. That is what I would have thought. A sentence or a paragraph with the link to the full article. However, Baj's sticky did seem to imply no cutting and pasting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 28 April, 2009 Share Posted 28 April, 2009 That is what I would have thought. A sentence or a paragraph with the link to the full article. However, Baj's sticky did seem to imply no cutting and pasting at all. It does indeed, so perhaps that's what we ought to do - for the meantime at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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