CB Fry

Yes absolutely we are likely going to move on/sell/loan a lot of players. We're all expecting that, and many of us will welcome it. It's not quite the same as what @Pilchards was getting at in his first "fire sale" / "fear" / "low expectations" doom scenario post. The fanbase are expecting a proper promotion challenge and the club messaging has been all about going for that to. And if the only thing Dragon only "gives a fuck about" is "more money" then maybe get promoted to the richest league in the world, yeah? Don't even bother trying to do "told you so" stuff when we start selling players Pilchards. We all know we are going to. We all know.

One day into the close season everyone. One fucking day. Jesus wept.

You're correct. Leicester are fucked seven ways to Sunday.

I'm looking forward to Matt Gill and Dean Thornton being either a) blamed for everything being terrible or b) portrayed as actually all the success we've had is down to them by November

A minutes silence for Lord Duckhunter still not getting his dream of John Terry as Saints manager 💔😢😭😢

Jesus wept.

To be fair only about three weeks ago people on were still doing the old "hey everyone I've done another set of match predictors and I calculate we stay up by one point" so you can see the mentality.

There is - Nathan Jones in August prayed for Luton Town to be promoted.

I've Toney just lost £250.

I said this would be 4-all before kick off.

Quelle surprise.

You're forgetting Micky Channon, the Wallace brothers and Wayne Bridge as well. Oh what might have been.

Is this £400m in the room with you now?

Basically he is never there for the glory. He walked out to Stoke during the season they went up from L1 and obviously repeated the trick this season. So he obviously did good work there but his name never on the tin for any actual real honours. Never mind, though 😂😂😂😂

Except that's not what I am saying. All I am saying is City don't become completely helpless bystanders while we merrily flog him off to whoever we like because check the small print and the calendar it's not 2024 yet lads and the world's richest club slinks off into the background, utterly helpless. Pretty sure whatever deal we did with City had an assumption that we wouldn't shit the bed and be immediately relegated. If the intention from City was for Lavia to get two seasons of middling Prem football then probably City may have a view on maintaining that notion, just not with us. The party who have not fulfilled their part of the bargain here is us because we are going down. Lavia did his bit, City havent done anything wrong. The idea that turns into ha hah hah ha fuck you City we're flogging him to Liverpool and you get no say now fuck youuuuu seems fanciful to me. I think City will still have skin in the game even though it is 2023. Just that small thing. But we're not on a slave ship here, ultimately the player gets to play for who he wants, but if you are presenting the whole buy back deal as a clever scheme for Lavia to escape Manchester City then why didn't the player just refuse any buy back deal last year? If your whole argument is the player has the power then well he had the power last year as well. You know, whisper it quietly but maybe Lavia aspires to actually be a Man City player? Maybe that?

Sorry I didn't realise that most people don't realise that loan fees exist. There's been £10m loan fees knocking about for a few years now. But yeah, let's just pretend there's nothing in it for us to loan him to a Premier League club for a year. Alright lads 👍👍👍

"Set him up for life?" he's 19 mate. What he needs next year is regular top flight football so he gives himself the best chance to get to the Euros. The move from Saints to someone else for the 23/24 is not the "set him up for life" transfer. He's got a career in front of him and bigger contracts and more money in the next decade if he plans his career right.

So the sell on deal was engineered as a way for Lavia to have a defined period where he can jump the fence and escape the clutches of Manchester City who are powerless to stop him? Not so sure about that.

Well, there is a planet where the European Championships are at the end of this season. Lavia will want to play in them and he will want to play in the Premier League to facilitate that. That planet. I think you need to get your head out of your arse that we are sitting on all the cards here and we control where he goes or if he leaves at all. He will not be playing for us any more. Of course there could be a route where we get a £xx million loan fee to a Prem Club for one season ahead of selling him to Man City the year later. That kind of thing might work nicely for Lavia, us and City.

I find it highly unlikely that Manchester City inserted a clause into the sale of Lavia to us which states that "Manchester City can activate a buy-back with a specific defined price if Lavia is sold summer 24........but seriously Saints if you want to flog him to Liverpool or Arsenal in summer 23 then crack on don't worry about lads fill your boots no questions asked". Obviously not. Obviously. Either City will buy him and loan him to Fulham/Palace/etc, or we loan to Fulham/Palace and sell to city the following summer. Either way he's not going to a direct City rival this summer.

It's behind us.

Our current style of play = losing. All the fucking time.

Yeah, them delusional people are, like, sooooo delusional. Thank god you're here and we can relax because Lavia and JWP will be lining up for us against Preston and Huddersfield next season #excited

That kind of "athletic" football is not the "antithesis" of JWP at all. Its exactly what he can do, the guy's a bloody machine. He'd fit in at Newcastle or wherever. It's just pathetic to filter all the shit that the rest of the club has been for the last two and half years at one players door and imply everything we've been terrible at is down to him - just because the team can't do it doesn't mean JWP can't do it.

Shut up you dopey old tart