CB Fry

There once was a time that many people believed that Manchester United were only winning multiple league titles because of Brian Kidd.

WE CANNOT FINISH SEVENTEENTH

4 x £28k gets you £112k which don't get you much, even in Derbyshire. And still a stretching loan to pay back on a salary that low. And if you don't like averages, then obviously for a younger person the salary is lower. You can say what you like, but it is very very difficult for young people - and borderline impossible in many areas and at many ages: the average first time buyer is 34, so not even young people in the game now. You've done it with no financial help from anyone at all. Well done. You're not typical.

Derbyshire where I live the average house price is £222k against an average wage of £28k, so 8 times ratio. 15% deposit is 33k so let's try saving that across five years, six grand a year or 550 every single month. Which is pretty much an average rent. So already more than half of your average take home pay gone on rent and saving up for a deposit. But yeah, its just skipping a few luxuries. ChrisPY did that with no help and I admire him.

Yes, what you've done there is a "my uncle smoked 40-a-day all his life and lived until he was 95". So what. Well done you on buying a house on about £700 weekly wage and paying rent too. Takes some doing with zero help at all. But that doesn't negate the basic social economic facts of the matter: wages to house price ratio, rising rents higher than mortgages, house prices driving up deposits, and so on. Average house price is 8 times average earnings. The average age of a first time buyer is now 34, and they need a average deposit of £46 grand. If you've saved up that much by yourself with no help good for you. The facts show it is incredibly difficult and pretty much fuck all to do with "people need to do without some luxuries". It's a structural societal problem where a generation is trapped.

This is absolute horseshit.

I get the piss take but the premise is bullshit. We're not sourcing the best available fucking players in Europe so why would every appointment to our backroom staff be at that level. As Lord D says the buck stops with the manager. Ralph's had a high enough standing in the club to successfully elbow Kelvin into a different/reduced role. Unlike with players that would be pretty easy. He hasn't. Its 100% on him.

I may have missed the point where Kelvin was described as "one of the best available coaches in Europe". Who said this, and when?

Absolutely no idea whatsoever. If you think he is the reason we've had a ropey season, fill your boots sunshine. If Ralph wanted to move him on he could have by now.

The main reason to sack Kelvin Davis is to stop the fanbase fucking moaning about Kelvin Davis.

Well, at least we can take comfort from a decent first half of football.

Never had a dream come true.

Bring on Diallo to shore things up a bit so we can sit on our 1-0.

Well, at least we can take comfort from a decent half of football during the post-mortem of the inevitable defeat.

Play Ings into the fucking ground in the hope he is then out injured until September 1st. Play the long game lads.

Anyone but Bournemouth really. Brentford v Barnsley final.

You don't think every single group of fans in the world wouldn't do the same thing, including ours? Fuck me some people are pathetic.

Early contender for post of the year.

In fairness I think we need (and Ralph thinks he needs) a strong as finish to the season as possible. It's not 1991 anymore. Managers are not going to be doing the "just play any old experiments and see what happens" thing.

It doesn't really matter who the players are, because we've been in the top flight for 44 out of 55 seasons and Burnley haven't. Speaking personally, I have absolutely no idea what relevance this has to anything but some geniuses do, and they must be correct.

Leicester are going to get relegated now, right? I believe that's how it works.

Aren't they above Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea in the league?

What has 44 out of 55 seasons got to do with anything then? How does it keep us in the Premier League in 2017 or 2021?

I miss the days when the dins on this forum all said they'd never want Brendan Rodgers to be our manager because of that quote he done about us. Great job he's done there. Superb.

Are you saying we stayed up in 2017-18 because of us being in the top flight in the mid-eighties? Or is it totally fucking irrelevant, the same way that Derby winning the league is irrelevant to them being in the second tier. For a club our size to be in the top flight for ten years straight in the 2010s is very good and not some natural order of things.