CB Fry

Well done Nige. Echo all the sensible posts on here. Lowe's single biggest error by a long way, not least because he had several fu c k ups behind him to learn from. And I still don't really understand it. This was Lowe's chance to come in quietly, let Nige get on with it and get the crowds in. And if you had to create a perfect manager for Rupert Lowe out of thin air, then he would look a lot like Nigel Pearson: tracksuited, young, hungry, something to prove, track record of youth, a "head coach" rather than a "wheeler-dealer", not much baggage. Perfect, perfect, perfect. Just give him the job Rupert. I can still hear myself yelling that out now.

We are relegated. Start getting used to it.

I do hope you're not exaggerating, Pancake. Oh, Alpine hates that.

Arf. Anyway, what is it you are so outraged about in Wotte's quotes?

Oh, in that case, I heartily applaud your unbelievable restraint and patience

As promised, I've got my ticket and there is no way I qualify as an uberfan by any of the convoluted descriptions put up in this debate. At the end of the day all the rules in the world can't stop someone who knows someone who knows someone with a ST buying a ticket for them. Can't wait, got a brilliant Hotel to stay in as well....:cool:

As opposed to the usual moan about everything ******** we come to get used to from you. Loving the way your little dream of DO IT NOW DO IT NOW DO IT NOW NOW NOW NOW FOR GODS SAKE NOW NOW NOW administration has become a nightmare within minutes and you're moaning like a bi tch about that as well. Absolutely Hilarious. How on earth you can get offended by some pre match quotes about how the team need to be composed if we are going to get anything from the next couple of games. You do actually realise that Wotte's job is to speak to journalists pre match? He has to say something, you do understand that, yes? And as for no quality - no sh it sherlock, thanks for telling us. Which is why Wotte's quotes about "composure" are even more apt - the team aren't going to become world beaters overnight, but the right mental attitude is something you can change match by match. So what he is saying makes a whole bunch of sense. So, in summary - what he's said there contains nothing to get offended over, except in your dopey warped little mind. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What exactly do you take exception to in that article, then Alpine?

Stop it, you're killing us. I know the great thing about forum wind ups is you'll always get passing traffic to bite, and off we go again, but come on, enough's enough! And I did like the gag originally.

Wikipedia has been fixed. Again.

Yawn. A report from a high court judge is hardly going to blame Joe Public is it but what is there shows that fan behaviour being a problem. Its not about Thatcher losing votes in Liverpool. Last time I looked Hillsborough had quite a lot of coverage on the national news as well Don't tell me, Heysel was all those nasty Italians and Dutch peoples fault was it with the saintly wittle Liverpool innocents accidently charging at Juve fans through no fault of their own?

"if you don't let us in, we'll force the gates and wreck your town". You're off your head if you think a govt report was ever going to blame the Liverpool fans in any way. Not great PR and there would be even more uproar than there was anyway. But that line is enough to show that fan agression was a major issue throughout the eighties and was undoubtedly an issue 20 years ago today. The Sth Yorks police cover up is another story and there is still justice to be done and my point is not about anti Liverpool or defending the police.

I like the way you have defined "the most diehard fans" as the fans whos attendance patterns just happen to be.....exactly the same as yours. Well done, you win the prize and definitely are the bestest. Stu is right. ST holders get priority and deservedly so, unless you think the ticket office should spend fifteen minutes per fan explaining that they "live in Epsom, can't afford this, and I would but, and I've done this and and and and" and then make a decision about who fits the most deserving "diehard" category. ST holders get priority, the end. And I am not a ST holder. And if you've decided away fans take all the credit for the away wins, then thanks a bunch for your **** poor showing at Wolves the other day when we really needed you. Or was that one not your fault?

Must be a different Taylor report that talked about there being ticketless fans there, and a different Taylor report that specifically quoted the phrase "if you don't let us in we'll force the gates or wreck your town". The final report coyly refered to that quote being used "at other times", Taylor was no fool: he was never going to lay that charge at the Liverpool fans that day because it would become too much of a story, but the inference is a clear as day that was obviously a factor.

But then if you are a midlands/northern based Saints fan and you go to the away games that are close by then the "thick and thin" argument doesn't really stand up does it - you're going to the games through convenience rather than rabid loyalty. And good luck to you. People go because they want to, no one forces anyone. I hate all these debates anyway. I am a self confessed rubbish fan. But I'll be at Forest, I'll promise you. Because its just down the road. I would be going to that game regardless of whether it meant promotion, relegation or nothing at all.

Nice try. No-one is saying they deserved anything, but they are quick to spread blame but not take responsibility. I'll repeat - if there weren't thousands of ****ed up and ticketless scousers hanging around the ground this would not have happened, regardless of what happened subsequently. And there might have been no cages around the perimeter where it not for Heysel which of course was an event where Liverpool fans completely blamelessly and accidentally caused the death of 39 Juventus fans. But then they started it, la.

To be fair we didn't even sell all the tickets for the DC away leg of the play off final, you could walk up and buy one. And that was to get into the Prem, not to avoid L1. I think there will be plenty of tickets to go round.

Nice try, but I think the wind up has pretty much run its course. Tommy Widdrington, oh yes, oh my aching sides.

LOL. Like examples of Liverpool fans acting like tw a t s are difficult to come by. The worst combination in the world - horrible bullying intimidating gobs hi tes combined with a percecution complex and a gigantic chip on their shell suit shoulder. Liverpool is the only city I've ever felt unsafe in on an away day. Some might believe them to be latter day saints who only ever are done wrong to but the rest of us know different.

The League is the property of The Football League and its members so the Football League have all the "influence" in the world as to whether we stay up or go down. They could kick us out of the league completely if they want. At the end of the day, in their terms we've "cheated" by going into admin - lots of clubs have gone into admin and been punished, and we'll be punished. Our best bet is stay up and get away with it. Second best is stay up on points and get 10 points docked and down. Worst, and by far most likely, is down anyway and 10 points next season. If they don't dock us and we stay up they could face "a large court case" from Forest, Norwich and/or Barnsley as well as any other club showing support - Leeds, Luton, Rotherham, Bournemouth. Being the league is a members club, there will be more members against us "cheating" than for us "cheating". The precendent has been set that going into admin is "cheating" (not my view). We have "cheated" and we will be punished. This "holding company" guff is weasily bravado from Lowe and co thinking they are clever and have outwitted the league, which has probably ****ed them off even more. We haven't got a hope of avoiding penalty. The League is a members club and will do what the hell they want.

This is fair enough, read a good article about all that stuff in the Guardian yesterday. The police have some serious questions to answer, as do the management of SWFC. But the fact remains if there weren't thousands of ****ed up scousers in and around the ground without tickets then the tragedy would never have happened. And there were thousands of ****ed up Liverpool fans in Heysel as well, but of course that was all someone else's fault as well, as it always is when Liverpool are concerned.

Who is the person that is going to show the interest? We don't have anyone around in management (coaching or admin/chief exec) that is likely to be anywhere near the club come August. We barely have anyone in place for the job in hand now. Wotte can't be seen to be preparing for next season, not least whatever he does will look wrong - either presuming success or failure and presuming he'll have a job either way. And he'd get slated for "not concentrating on the current situation". Brace yourself for a scramble around just like the last five seasons. Sorry.

That view may not be shared by Matt Le Tissier, Michael Owen, Paul Gascoigne, David Beckham, James Beattie, at least half the Saints squad at the time, most of the Spurs squad, his old boss as a player and as a manager David Pleat, the entire Wolves squad. Paul Ince is the only player who raves about him. If he was that good explain the utter failure at Spurs, the embarrassment of Wolves - jacuzzis of cash and couldn't even scrape the play offs which even Burley could do - and explain the only person now prepared to give him a job is....Glenn Hoddle. Les Reed was highly rated as a coach by the FA, too.

Err - I was adding to what you said, which is why I said, "can I just add to that". I wasn't disagreeing with you.