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I refuse to believe they would be stupid enough to elect him as leader - I can only assume their members are taking the p!ss out of the opinion polls. When one of the other candidates win by a landslide it will be portrayed as a great victory - a new Labour moving back to the centre, great for business etc.

Does sound good. Especially when in Holland "party atmosphere" usually means an array of drugs and strippers shooting ping pong balls out their arse.

But if we didn't have hundreds of thousands turning up from Poland and Romania every year a few who manage to sneak in via the tunnel wouldn't be a problem.

Quite easy to stop if we didn't want an open door policy, just withdraw from the EU.

No different to the hundreds of thousands who turn up from poor EU countries every year. I don't want an open door policy, in fact I agree with UKIP's stance on this, however all this hype about these people (who obviously are in a more desperate situation than the average Polish immigrant) does make you wonder if it is because their skin is brown.

France already take in more asylum seekers than us so they are hardly going to go out of their way to stop them entering England. Looks like most people on here would do the same.

Not really, if you are wealthy you are rich, the problem is the disparity between the people creating the wealth and the people getting rich. Some wealth creators are wealthy, but more and more in today's world it seems the people getting really wealthy are the people/companies who create nothing and just play the system - the agents, salesmen, speculators etc

Exactly, so wealth creators are people who add value to our lives, not people who make themselves rich.

So if someone makes a million by buying and selling some shares, what exactly have they created?

If some builds a house it is worth whatever it is worth regardless of how much money is in circulation. That's irrelivant anyway, if someone has built a house the wealth they have created is the house.

They can print more but at any one time there is only a certain amount of money. If some has a billion of the stuff then they have taken that off other people, they have not created anything.

Book - I tend to read military history, so it would probably be Enemy Coast Ahead which was written by one of the Dam Buster pilots or Operation Mincemeat. Both fascinating accounts of ordinary people doing the extraordinary in war time. Vulcan 571 is also up there. Film - Shawshank Redemption or my new favourite Argo.

Of course, but a person on minimum wage probably puts every penny back into the economy whereas a billionaire will probably put a fraction back.

There is only a certain amount of money, if one person has it all then everyone else has none

I agree, Labour needs to move to the centre left to have any chance. And I think a Labour with Blair style policies and a credible leader will be more popular than the Tories all day long.

Of course everyone wants to be rich you plum, but some people have the intelligence and compassion to not want other people to suffer or live uncomfortable lives. I am rich anyway, me and my mrs both earn way above average salaries in a wealthy part of a rich country, I am in the top 0.11% of the World - that's why I don't cry like a big baby because I pay a sizeable sum of tax.

I don't support any party and agree with some policies of the Conservatives, some from Labour, some from the Lib Dems and even UKIP and the Greens. I have never claimed to be a socialist and have never voted Labour in my life so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I just particularly dislike greed which is at the core of Conservative thinking.

All policies I agree with, yet if Labour had done that Tory nobheads like you would be crying like a bunch of babies saying it's not funded. "I have to pay some tax" wahhhh wahhhh wahhhh

I think with all those years with dodgy owners they have confused investment with money laundering. As rallyboy says, any chance they had of attracting an investor went out the window when they sold their future for a few feet of Tarmac. If they were located anywhere else in England they may have a chance but there is no room for a stadium anywhere else on the Sceptic Isle and they have landlocked themselves.

I'm in favour of helping people in need of help yes.

People with more money than they need, giving it to those in need - very much in the spirit of socialism. If more people were like him instead of being utter c@nts like you we wouldn't have to pay as much tax as we do.

I actually agree with the new dividend tax. Most of my mates are small business owners and the amount of ways they get out of paying tax is unbelievable.

Surely it's only fair you show a capitalist version, where there are loads more beggars and the fat bloke tells them to f*ck off and die.

The only way to make any difference is to be in power - that's the bottom line. A lurch further to the left would be a complete disaster regardless of who is leader. Without middle England you cannot win an election.

I don't think its ageist to say that in general older people tend to be more racist, sexist and homophobic.