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There are scores watching - check out the other pics, 8 around the body checking out if the victim is OK or not. I'm pretty sure they would have noticed if it was an actor with special effects. I'm not sure how an actor fakes not having a pulse. Also the only police on the scene at that stage are dealing with the murderers, weird that considering their big plan could be blown apart at any moment if just one of those people noticed the actor breathing.

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/10436107.Woolwich_police_incident__One_dead_and_two_seriously_injured___live_updates/ 3.27pm Picture: KingAdeIV on Twitter.

It's hard to argue with what Fry says. It's time our country grew some balls and stood up for what's right. Quatar sounds like the worst place in the World to host a World Cup, there needs to be a full investigation into how this backward sh!thole won the right to host it. Obviously back-handers were involved.

you are just making stuff up now, there is pictures showing 8 people stood around the body before the Met got there and moved people away. Lee Rigby had to be identified using dental records so the actor on the floor must have been very convincing or maybe everyone in the immediate area were actors, even the cub scout leader? Maybe the whole of south London were replaced by actors for the day, there are no limits to what fruit-loops like you believe.

Pap, like all fantasists, when backed into a corner you just come out with complete waffle. What difference does it make if he was actually decapitated or just hacked to death? - none. Fact is that the crime scene was for 20mins or so a complete free for all until the OB turned up. Look at the video and pictures, there were scores of people stood around and a whole bus full watching, some people even going up and inspecting the body. That one single fact proves beyond any doubt that the body on the floor was not an actor. Your theory doesn't explain why two young muslims would choose to get shot and spend the rest of their lives in jail to help a conservative government force through a policy. There is obviously no point discussing this further, I expect the court case will be soon and it will make you look even dumber than you already do when all the evidence is laid out.

You have to wonder about what type of person would complain about that. There is a lot of weird people out there.

It's pointless arguing with you because you refuse to see what is obvious and accept any sort of common sense. As soon as you analyse the theory you suggest in any sort of detail it becomes a complete farce. I don't just accept what the government say, I look at the evidence and make up my own mind. You take no notice of the evidence and just invent a story to fit your own paranoid, warped agenda. I read enough about the intelligence services to know that your theory is way too complex, fantastical and way way too risky to even be considered as a plan. Actors pretending to be headless corpses on a busy London street, servicemen mutilating and swapping bodies of dead colleges, muslim extremists acting alongside the met and intelligence services left alive to tell the story. Your plan makes operation Mincemeat of WW2 seem straight forward. You say having actors as passers by is easy - of course that is true. What is impossible though is making sure there are no other passers by, off duty coppers, service men etc, who could stop the whole plan in it's tracks. If there was some sort of government conspiracy the only plausible scenario that fits the evidence would be a few spooks working on the two muslims psychologically until he flipped. That is plausible but there is still no evidence of it happening. The problem with these situations, as in 9/11, is that opportunistic politicians and the media use them for their own agendas and it's easy for people who lack intelligence to see the thing as a big conspiracy when all it is is people taking advantage of a bad situation.

So what you are saying is the guy on the floor is a live actor, and the muslim extremists are acting out a scene choreographed by the british secret service, some of the army, police, ambulance service and numerous actors/witnesses. Rigby's body is lying in another ambulance somewhere else after dying of natural causes sometime between visiting the kebab shop the night before and that time of day. His body being squirrelled away by members of his own unit and put in a fridge or something after being mutilated to tie in with what has yet to be played out. You're whole theory falls flat on it's face with the fact that the two muslims are alive and well in jail. If this was some huge, important government set up then they can both blow the whole thing wide open. The OB had a perfect chance to take them out and tie up any lose ends by killing them instead of shooting in their legs. Also the fact that the police took 20mins to get there doesn't tie in with your theory - they would have been there the minute it happened if it had all been a big film set. If the guy on the floor was a live actor any passer by could easily have walked up to the 'body' and found out he not dead. Or was the whole street full of paid actors all in on it? You seriously need help if you believe that theory.

From the Mail; "Police today defended their response to the killing after eyewitnesses claimed they took up to 20 minutes to arrive at the scene. Assistant Commissioner Simon Byrne, said: 'One point I would like to address is around some of the speculation as to how long it took the Met to respond yesterday as this incident started to unfold. 'We first received a 999 call from the public at 2.20pm stating a man was being attacked, further 999 calls stated that the attackers were in possession of a gun. We had officers at the scene within nine minutes of receiving that first 999 call. 'Once that information about a gun or guns being present was known firearms officers were assigned at 2.24pm. Firearms officers were there and dealing with the incident 10 minutes after they were assigned, 14 minutes after the first call to the Met." Nine minutes doesn't seem too bad, not sure what the Mets poor response time has got anything to do with a conspiracy though. Where does this fit into the jigsaw Pap? Surely if it was one big inside job the the police would be there in seconds making sure no one got sight of anything? F*cking nutjob

Now we are getting somewhere. Do you know how completely barmy your idea is? So your in your version of events Rigby was already dead and the person 'beheaded' was a corpse of someone else that was dragged out from somewhere to take part in a mock car crash. OK. So if Rigby died some other way and it was all kept hush hush that means all his fellow soldiers at the barracks were in on the plot. The kebab shop worker who spoke to him the evening before is also in on it. CCTV footage of him from the shop would have had to been faked. A corpse would have had to have been dragged through a London street in broad daylight, then two known extremists would have to play a key role in running him over and committing the pretend crime then allow themselves to be shot, then still comply later on whilst locked in jail, probably for the rest of their lives. The ambulance workers who took the body away plus whoever confirmed the death and the coroner who dealt with the autopsy must also be in on it. Rigby's family member who ID'd the body must also be in on it, unless they managed to mutilate Rigby's body in a similar way and somehow swap them in between. The Met Police obviously had to be in on it, as you say they were stood around doing nothing, plus there are the witnesses who saw it as it happened - maybe they are crisis actors? All of this had to happen in a busy London street, in broad daylight. What exactly are the Met's or the Army's motivation? Why would two Muslim Extremists throw their lives away on some minor political cause? There is no way in a million years the Met or the army would be complicit in a plot like this. there is no way the government would do anything like this just to aid a pretty insignificant piece of legislation. If they were to do something they would just plant some explosives in some asian bloke's car not hatch some elaborate plan involving corpses and fake murders on a London street. You are completely nuts.

Pap, instead of pointing out things you don't understand (and everyone else does) why don't you try and explain to us your theory. If there was an unfeasibly small amount of blood, what does it mean? Is Rigby actually still alive? Are these two guys in jail really just playing along with the whole thing? Give us a theory, go on...

OK then, I will waste 5 mins of my life explaining to you the obvious... 1) Reaction time of the OB - It would take time for the armed response unit to get to the loacation, it depends where in London they were at the time. 2) The fact that the alleged perpetrators milled around for 20 minutes when they could have easily prosecuted their agenda on a wider scale. - they were waiting for the security services to inflict harm on them. 3) Video of kids on the top floor of the bus. One of them asks when they're going to eat. Another responds "they've got another little film scene to do yet" - Cops, shootings, murders just like in the movies. 4) Right next to an army barracks, yet no-one comes out and sorts them - I'm no expert but I expect if a crime happens outside of their barracks they go into lockdown. I'm pretty sure they are not allowed out run out and start shooting sh!t up every time a crime is committed nearby. 5) Eyewitnesses report regular OB nearby, yet none of them do a thing. - Bloke beheaded by two armed men, they would be waiting for armed response unit. 6) The general lack of eyewitness on what is a very busy street. - There were witnesses, some on TV, some on twitter, how many we will find out at the trial. 7) The lack of blood on the alleged perpetrators clothing. - Plenty of blood where he got run over, probably already dead when beheaded, blood doesn't spurt out of a dead person. Two very different videos, one of which is pixellated to f**k, illustrating signs of manipulation, the other much cleaner - with a lot less blood. - video was clear to me, one with orange hands obviously been altered. 9) The fact that security services tried to recruit one of the alleged perpetrators 6 months prior to the event. - Had contacts with muslim extremists, if he was approached hardly a surprise. 10) The gung-ho pegging it into a hail of gunfire. -I assume you mean the armed response unit, looked like a slick, effective and appropriate response. 11) Lack of blood on the alleged perpetrators after the shooting. - See 7 12) The general vagueness of the big statement. "What we have done here...., etc". - They just murdered someone I expect they had other stuff on their minds. 13) The transformational genius of boyadee, going from street tweeter with lots to say about the event to articulate commentator with f**k all to say about it ( his latest piece is about Miley Cyrus entering hip hop ) - not sure of relevance but it's not at all unusual for a black londoner to speak gangster style to his homies on twitter, no matter how articulate. Just trying to look cool 14) The fuss. - Obvious, anything muslim related is hyped up by the media.

I think the problem is that things don't make sense to you because you are thick. Seriously, what is your theory about what happened at woolwich? Listing things you don't understand is not a theory. You won't post your theory - you never do, because you know they won't stack up.

I reckon we should ignore the worldwide scientific consensus and go with Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov's theory. That would be the prudent approach.

Well done Rickie, you should walk into that shower of a team.

Newspapers sensationalise stuff, blimey, is it that hard to understand?

Well there is none, just a load of "that looks weird" from you fantasists. Verbal is spot on with his post, you need to get in the real world.

You did imply that it was some sort of evidence for a conspiracy. I glad we agree that there is none.

You just don't get the concept of 'real life' do you? That website could have been put together by anyone, you don't know if the quotes are accurate, taken out of context or even from real people. Anyway all it is is a bunch of people saying "they want the truth" or "that was weird", no evidence of anything.

Very week, definitely no evidence that cosmic rays are causing the planet to warm.

One of those links basically says the opposite to what you are saying and the other just draws conclusions from the fact that CO2 levels in the atmosphere don't exactly match human output - of course they don't there are many other factors involved, mainly the oceans. I would be interested to see your evidence of solar high-energy activity...

That still doesn't explain the rise in temperature. Why do you find it so hard to believe the outrageous theory that the CO2 levels are linked to us pumping billions of tons of it into the atmosphere. And that given that it is a scientific fact that CO2 absorbs more heat temperatures are likely to rise. Your line of thought is bizarre, it's like p!ssing in the bath and blaming the increase of urine on the rising temperature of the water!

Exactly what is claptrap?

Historical changes in the Earths climate over millennia only add weight to the theory of man made warming. Numerous things effect the temperature (the sun, volcanoes etc) and will continue to do so but he recent warming can only be reasonably explained by increased greenhouse gasses due to man. Co2 levels have exceeded 400 parts per million, the highest point for 3 million years. The last time they were this high camels lived in the high Arctic and seas were at least 30 feet higher and that was in the final stage of a prolonged greenhouse epoch, and CO2 concentrations were already on their way down. We are entering a complete unknown, positive feedbacks like methane from melting Arctic tundra could mean catastrophic consequences. Ignoring what science is telling us is just plain retarded.

What sort of absolute proof do you think we should wait for then before we act? The polar ice caps could melt completely tomorrow and some sceptics will say it's not due to man. There will always be sceptics, there will never be an unveiling of a big banner by god saying "global warming is true". What are you waiting for?