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So you are certain the McCanns did it but don't have the slightest clue how they could have carried it out!

Regurgitate what? You have come up with one plausible timeline of events to support your theory yet. Just one possible way they could have made her body vanish inbetween finding her dead, scoffing down a few plates of tapas and raising the alarm.

Insane line of thinking?! I just want you to give the version of events you think is most likely. You seem certain the McCanns did it yet have not explained how. it's like.. "Sir, I am sure the MCanns did it" How? "Don't have a clue, I'm just sure they did" I genuinely want to know how you think they did it. I am happy to believe that they could accidentally drug her and cause her death (although is there a drug out there that two doctors would take on holiday that could sedate a child but also kill them if given slightly too much?). I just don't think they had the time or means to make the body vanish like it did. You obviously think they could have....

LOL just as I thought, couldn't give one plausible scenario. I'm not asking you to tell me what I should think, just tell how YOU think the McCanns pulled it off. If you are that certain they did it you must have some sort of idea? Like all conspiracy theory nutjobs, when backed into a corner you resort to insults and changing the subject. You were the same with the 9/11, Boston bombings and Rigby theories, make big "the government did it" statements then when it comes to the nuts and bolts of how it could have been carried out you fall flat on your face and get shown up to be the fantasist you know you are.

I've looked at details at some of the evidence and think that abduction is by far the most likely. Gives us a plausible scenario where the McCanns killed her. I'm guessing you can't, like all conspiracy theorist nutjobs you pick up on the slightest element of doubt and make grandiose claims that can't be backed up with an alternative theory. Go one, just one possible timeline of events, in detail...

Pap, you still havn't posed your timeline of events surrounding the death of Madeline McCann and disposal or her body. You seem so certain her parents did it you must have a bulletproof scenario that ties in with the evidence. We need details, how and by whom she was killed, what drug, what time she died, when they found out and how they disposed of and concealed the body...

I see they failed to mention that we had more shots, more shots on target and more possession.

France must have a seriously good midfield if he can't get in the squad.

He HAS to get an England call up soon playing like that.

Great performance, we need to put these mid-table sides to the sword though if we want to finish top 6.

Like I said. Feel free to post your version of events of how and by whom she was killed, what drug, what time she died, when they found out and how they disposed of and concealed the body...

I called you a nutjob because to you EVERYTHING is a big conspiracy, regardless of the evidence. The Boston bombings were a false flag because of some deal between the US and Russia over Syria (that worked out well!), the 9/11 planes were flown by robots or something and Lee Rigby was hacked to death by British secret agents, or is still alive or something. I accept that there is a chance the McCanns were responsible but find the idea very very unlikely. There were Cadaver alerts in the Shannon Matthews case and she was not even dead. If the forensic evidence in anyway prove Madeline was killed in the apartment or her corpse was in the hire car the MET will already know if they were responsible. You need to be an expert in the science to draw any conclusions from it. If someone can come up with a believable theory as to how the McCanns made her body vanish in half an hour, in area they didn't know well, without (as far as we know) the use of a vehicle, and without acting suspiciously, I would be happy to see it. Feel free to post your version of events of how and by whom she was killed, what drug, what time she died, when they found out and how they disposed of and concealed the body...

We pay £90 a month for electric and gas, that's for two of us in a big 3 bed detached. It is modern and well insulated but we do tend to like it warm. That's with a combi boiler. At the last house we had free electric for 6 years so 90 a month is a bit of a shock. The last place was in some weird twilight zone where we had electric but no one sent us any bills.

Oh come on, they wouldn't want the publicity if they had accidentally killed her and dumped her body somewhere either. I was just making that point. Murder is even more fanciful than them drugging them to death.

I have never said I thought it was murder you nutjob, there is clearly two plausible scenarios and that is abduction or accidental killing by the parents. To say there is no evidence for abduction is clearly just bonkers. A child missing from an unlocked apartment and witnesses seeing someone carry a child is evidence of abduction, I'm not sure what other evidence you would expect to see. The problem is people see the McCanns and think they look odd, they must have done it without thinking of the practicalities of how someone could make a body vanish in about half an hour in a foreign country. Or how someone could kill their own child and cover it up so effectively and act normal eating Tapas in a situation like that. Add to that the fact that they are actively encouraging the world's media and detectives to investigate what happened. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who had committed such a crime, after the initial acting you would want the whole episode to go away - you would NOT want a team of detectives digging through the evidence.

I'm sorry but that is a dumb idea, left back is the one position where England have two top quality players, why would he bring a third? Would only make sense if he was considering playing Baines at Left midfield. As for Lambert, I think the ball is firmly in his court - if he plays as well as last year i think he will go.

Some cases are successful some are not. There is no evidence to suggest that the MET are not looking at all possible scenarios. If they have ruled the parents out as suspects they would have good reason to, same with any other suspect.

They will based the reconstruction as best they can around the evidence available. It clearly states who was seen where and when, obviously from witness statements. Just like any other crimewatch reconstruction.

In the description of the investigation the MET never once use the word 'abduction', it is crystal clear they are doing all they can to find out exactly what happened to Madeline. Until there is a body or evidence that she is not alive it will always be a missing person case. Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood: "We, and the Portuguese authorities, remain completely committed to finding out what happened to Madeleine, and everything we do is utterly focused on her best interests."

Unless you are sat with the detectives you are not in a position to say. The MET seem to have a pretty open mind as to what happened, and they are working close with the Portuguese plod. Do you have any evidence that they are only looking at the evidence the McCanns tell them to? This is from the MET site.. "Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have now moved to an investigative stage of the inquiry. Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies. This process has been complex and issues such as translation of material have presented particular challenges. To date some 30,500 documents have entered into the process which has generated in excess of 3,800 actions. The actions that we have completed have generated new findings and new witness evidence. Our review has sought to prioritise the material, ensuring we are doing everything possible to understand what happened to Madeleine. In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive. The MPS has conducted sixteen visits to Portugal and we have met and shared our findings with key members of both the Policia Judiciaria and Judicial Authorities. Our relationship is positive and we are grateful for the co-operation we have received thus far."

I agree certain aspects look a bit odd but nothing nearly as odd as two guilty people clamouring to have the world's media put their supposed crime under the microscope. Kates refusal to answer questions - Looks to me she just got the hump with the local plod. I expect she thought they should be out looking for Madeline instead of assuming she was dead and questioning her. It's hard to comment on the forensics unless you are an expert, I'm sure if they are compelling the MET are more than capable of drawing their own conclusions. The fact that Madaline's DNA or blood was found means nothing, she was in the apartment for a week or so. Cadaver dog alerts are only used as a tool to aid further investigation because they can mean so many different things. Dogs alert to any process of human decomposition - even from situations which did not result in death - e.g. a lost tooth, old blood even semen, and it is easily transferable. A dog alerted to cadaver in the Shannon Matthews case and she was found alive, it turned out the dog was spelling cadaver odour from a piece of second hand furniture which had come from a house where a death had taken place. Kate washed the teddy 70 days after the event and she had been carrying it around the whole time and it smelled of suntan lotion - I'm not sure what forensics would have shown from that. I hope the McCanns are found to be guilty of it because they come across as vile people, but i think people are just out to get them somewhat because they dont like them.

I don't find the idea of a peado kid-knapping a young child that far fetched. IMO it was either a lone weirdo who noticed the cries of a child alone or maybe saw her through the window (the apartment was very accessible to the public road) and took the opportunity. Or an organised gang - there were reports of men hanging around the area and the holiday makers did appear to have a routine where the kids were left alone at that time in the evening. A member of the hotel staff could easily have contacts with a gang. I don't have a problem believing a couple like that could accidentally drug the kid but disposing of a body and covering up what they did whilst fitting in a tapas meal with friends (and acting rationally) in that time-scale is just hard to believe. Add to that the fact that they are actively getting detectives and the media to put he happenings under a microscope, it flies in the face of all rational thinking.

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline. Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely). Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

Great goal, competition for Lambert for the free-kicks now.

What's the bet it was 1000+ "looks like Gerry to me"