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I'm sorry but that is a dumb idea, left back is the one position where England have two top quality players, why would he bring a third? Would only make sense if he was considering playing Baines at Left midfield. As for Lambert, I think the ball is firmly in his court - if he plays as well as last year i think he will go.

Some cases are successful some are not. There is no evidence to suggest that the MET are not looking at all possible scenarios. If they have ruled the parents out as suspects they would have good reason to, same with any other suspect.

They will based the reconstruction as best they can around the evidence available. It clearly states who was seen where and when, obviously from witness statements. Just like any other crimewatch reconstruction.

In the description of the investigation the MET never once use the word 'abduction', it is crystal clear they are doing all they can to find out exactly what happened to Madeline. Until there is a body or evidence that she is not alive it will always be a missing person case. Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood: "We, and the Portuguese authorities, remain completely committed to finding out what happened to Madeleine, and everything we do is utterly focused on her best interests."

Unless you are sat with the detectives you are not in a position to say. The MET seem to have a pretty open mind as to what happened, and they are working close with the Portuguese plod. Do you have any evidence that they are only looking at the evidence the McCanns tell them to? This is from the MET site.. "Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have now moved to an investigative stage of the inquiry. Over the past two years the review, whilst not complete, has been in a unique position having drawn together material from the UK, Portugal and private investigators from seven different companies. This process has been complex and issues such as translation of material have presented particular challenges. To date some 30,500 documents have entered into the process which has generated in excess of 3,800 actions. The actions that we have completed have generated new findings and new witness evidence. Our review has sought to prioritise the material, ensuring we are doing everything possible to understand what happened to Madeleine. In the absence of any clear evidence to the contrary we maintain our belief that Madeleine may still be alive. The MPS has conducted sixteen visits to Portugal and we have met and shared our findings with key members of both the Policia Judiciaria and Judicial Authorities. Our relationship is positive and we are grateful for the co-operation we have received thus far."

I agree certain aspects look a bit odd but nothing nearly as odd as two guilty people clamouring to have the world's media put their supposed crime under the microscope. Kates refusal to answer questions - Looks to me she just got the hump with the local plod. I expect she thought they should be out looking for Madeline instead of assuming she was dead and questioning her. It's hard to comment on the forensics unless you are an expert, I'm sure if they are compelling the MET are more than capable of drawing their own conclusions. The fact that Madaline's DNA or blood was found means nothing, she was in the apartment for a week or so. Cadaver dog alerts are only used as a tool to aid further investigation because they can mean so many different things. Dogs alert to any process of human decomposition - even from situations which did not result in death - e.g. a lost tooth, old blood even semen, and it is easily transferable. A dog alerted to cadaver in the Shannon Matthews case and she was found alive, it turned out the dog was spelling cadaver odour from a piece of second hand furniture which had come from a house where a death had taken place. Kate washed the teddy 70 days after the event and she had been carrying it around the whole time and it smelled of suntan lotion - I'm not sure what forensics would have shown from that. I hope the McCanns are found to be guilty of it because they come across as vile people, but i think people are just out to get them somewhat because they dont like them.

I don't find the idea of a peado kid-knapping a young child that far fetched. IMO it was either a lone weirdo who noticed the cries of a child alone or maybe saw her through the window (the apartment was very accessible to the public road) and took the opportunity. Or an organised gang - there were reports of men hanging around the area and the holiday makers did appear to have a routine where the kids were left alone at that time in the evening. A member of the hotel staff could easily have contacts with a gang. I don't have a problem believing a couple like that could accidentally drug the kid but disposing of a body and covering up what they did whilst fitting in a tapas meal with friends (and acting rationally) in that time-scale is just hard to believe. Add to that the fact that they are actively getting detectives and the media to put he happenings under a microscope, it flies in the face of all rational thinking.

I don't think many people think it was murder but the whole sedatives idea I find so far fetched, I just don't see how it would fit in with the timeline. Did they find out she was dead before the tapas and then go and have the meal anyway (very weird), or did they find her dead on the first check and somehow hatch a plan to dispose of the body without anyone else noticing (unlikely). Or were the whole Tapas 7 in on it (very unlikely). Add to that the fact that they are inviting the worlds media to throw a spotlight on what happened and are encouraging the Police to investigate thoroughly. It makes the idea that they killed her and dumped the body somewhere very fanciful.

Great goal, competition for Lambert for the free-kicks now.

What's the bet it was 1000+ "looks like Gerry to me"

They will be looking for leads, any leads. If they are interviewing people from the area and people who were on holiday in the area at the time any one of them could point the finger to Gerry McCann.

Do you really think detectives investigating the crime will give the slightest thought as to what's been said on TV?

You're a f*cking fruit loop if you think someone who killed their own kid would do what the McCanns have been doing (hiring detectives, getting the MET involved, live appeals on Crimewatch etc etc). If they did do it there WILL be evidence out there somewhere that would convict them - the very last thing they would do is keep putting the whole thing in the spotlight.

You seriously think they killed their own daughter then decided to carry out a protracted campaign to make it the most high profile, most investigated missing persons enquiry in history? Seriously?

I had a degree of sympathy for them until I baby sat for my brothers 3 kids the other day who are a similar age. F*ck me you can't take your eyes of the little sods for 5 mins. Turn your back for a moment and one is trying to wear a lampshade while the other two are seeing what they can stick in the DVD player. They left them alone, in a unlocked ground floor apartment that was on a public road not even contained within the complex. It was not far away but it was out of sight and ear shot. Usually being in an apartment you would be reasonably safe but I expect Maddie woke up and started shouting for her mum or went to the window.

It's just the hypocrisy of it all. If it had happened to a single mother from Shirley Towers who had left her 3 kids alone while she went to score some crack she would be hung drawn and quartered by the press and middle class ass-holes like the McCanns. You can't blame the McCanns for trying to get the publicity though. The idea that they killed her is just for the nut jobs though, there is no way in a million years you would want all this publicity if you had murdered your own kid.

How do you know who the police have looked at? I'm no expert but i am pretty sure friends and relatives are the first people detectives look at in missing person/murder inquiries. As for Kate McCann not answering questions, I expect she was just in a strop because the useless Portuguese Old Bill were giving her the third degree instead of looking for her daughter.

The only thing I find offensive is people getting offended because they think being called a builder has some sort of negative connotations. sotonjoe seems to think being a builder is as bad as being a peado!

It will be these dudes... http://www.toojuicy.com/southampton-fc-join-our-journey

It's not but to me it's not a big deal if we qualify or not because we will probably just get d!cked in Brazil anyway. That's why I chose a Saints win at OT. Major tournaments are always better if England are there but there is always an annoying hype in the media about our chances, all that "England expects" nonsense. It gets intentionally hyped up just to make a bigger story when we inevitably get knocked out. That's followed by the usual campaign against the manager and pointless analysis of why England are cr@p at football.

If Mr McCann did do it then it would be VERY VERY STRANGE for him to get a team from the British Police to investigate it at this stage when he has got away with it. I buy the idea that at the time he would act the concerned father to try and put the police off the scent but to carry on digging now makes no sense at all.

Same here, it looks exactly like him. Looks like the Met are going to waste alot of time and money chasing down a suspect they believed to be in the area, who was obviously in the area because it was her dad.

Would take a Saints win at OT. England don't have to win tomorrow to go through, anyway if they do qualify they will not do very well in Brazil.

Agree, anyone could have got a ticket if they wanted to weeks ago, fair play to the Poles who snapped them up. At least Wembley might have a decent atmosphere tomorrow.

Of course there is an element of schadenfreude if you go back to the start of this thread there were not many people wanting them liquidated. Now after all their cheating every Saints fan I know thinks they deserve to go out of existence.