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He would have loved the EDL thread, the crazy fash bastard!

Timmy Flowers (my first sporting hero)!. Friedel and Dean Kiely always put in excellent performances against us as well. But voted for Antti.

Don't want to get carried away just yet, and Oldham aren't a bad side, so I'll go for 1-1.

Yep.

The bit about Britain having the worst of the financial crisis. I will have to go quiet though, as this is my third post...I would pay the fiver but you know, I can't afford unsustainable spending programmes aimed at sponging internet forums, etc.

Bugger, I bolded the wrong thing.

What about Iceland? Ireland? Spain? the US itself? Also, the main concern of right-wing commentators when the whole crisis started with the Bear Stearns hedge funds back in 2007 (I know, because I read most of their articles for work) was ridiculing any suggestion that more stringent regulation should be imposed on these dodgy financial innovations which were messing everything up. Later, their main concern was that Northern Rock, Bradford & Bingley, RBS, Lloyds et. al. did not receive government assistance, even if it meant the entire economic system collapsing, huge numbers of completely blameless people losing their savings, etc. Right-wing monetarists have been completely in the wrong at every stage of the financial crisis. The government may have f*cked up in the first place (although, of course, they have lasted in government as long as they have done by keeping the over-mighty finance industry sweet so really had no choice but to let them do what they wanted), but if the Conservatives had won the 2005 election then, well, God knows. We certainly wouldn't be arguing about it on the internet, we'd be on a hunger march or some sh*t. Well, I would

One thing you can say about the Tories is that their actual politicking has been top-notch (though that's helped by Labour's being God-awful). Here is an economic crisis brought on by the kind of unregulated laissez-faire capitalism favoured by the Conservatives and their City mates (even more than New Labour), saved from turning into another 1929 through the sort of intervention from Big Bad Government that they want to "scale back", and somehow it's all because of the scraps we chuck to the dolies to keep them rioting and the "bloated" pensions of dinnerladies and binmen. I've no idea how they've managed to shift the goalposts, but fair play for taking advantage of the moron electorate. Seriously, f*ck democracy.

I want Woking away, to gain vengeance for their knocking out of Maidstone OK ground as well (though my definition of an "OK" ground is significantly different from a lot of people's).

So old I feel nostalgic reading it. Ahh, them's were the days...this must be what the old blokes feel like reading that "Soul Cellar" thread.

Even seven months ahead, it's pretty obvious the Tories are in. Moderate majority I reckon, rather than a landslide. Hope they don't go mad with the cuts, with the result that we end up partying like it's 1929

Sad to say, those bastards down the road at the first derby in 03/04. On that open end I couldn't even hear the bloke next to me, they were that loud. Despite the scoreline the next season, it wasn't quite as loud. Birmingham in the season they came up (2002?) were lairy f*ckers but made an excellent atmosphere. Cardiff at Ninian Park were always impressive. Millwall at last year's playoff final v. Scunny. Bristol Rovers v. Yeovil in 2004 was pretty epic. Ultimately though, it depends on whether you catch people on a good day. As Saints fans we don't have many sets of fans with a particular grudge against us, so most of the good atmospheres we experience are when it happens to be an important game.

Like grandfather, like grandson as well, from what the book says about O. Mosley's dad... Strange coincidence, I'm on a little British fascism kick at the moment so got a few books from the library. Next up is "This Rough Game: Fascism and anti-Fascism" by David Renton.

It is a little irritating. Never mind, it'll pass soon and before long stupid people will be parroting some other advertising catchphrase

"Blackshirt: Oswald Mosley and British Fascism", by Stephen Dorrill. Pretty good, rather a surprise how many powerful upper-class people were not just very conservative but openly pro-Hitler and anti-Semitic in the 20s and 30s. I also had no idea what a playa Mosley was, seriously he ****ged every bird going.

Browns 0-4. Yep, that seems about right.

I disagree with delldays on most things, but he has a point here.

It was a reference to the river that ran along by the old ground - "Goodnight Irene" is some kind of old country and western (?) song which includes the lyrics "And sometimes I get the notion/To jump in the river and drown". The story goes that it caught on after one particularly bad defeat. Gas support on Tuesday was loud in parts, but I reckon Millwall were better.

I don't think a great deal has changed except the methods. Spin doctoring is still only the "selective" presentation of facts to make your party appear to have the right ideas, which is as old as politics and used by all shades of politician. New Labour's obsession with focus groups and bandwagon-jumping (rather than political principle) itself came from the lessons of the 1980s, when the slick campaigns that the Conservatives run with the aid of Saatchi & Saatchi were far more convincing than their own old-fashioned amateurish efforts. If anything, "spin" organisations like the Policy Exchange and Taxpayers' Alliance have in recent years given the right a marked advantage in this area. I imagine in a decade or so it'll swing back the other way.

Cracked me up seeing the front page of the Sun today. It was a shock I tell you, what with that newspaper's previous 12 years of unswerving commitment to liberal values and all

Blah blah, bullsh*t bullsh*t, woe is me, etc.

All these crap hoolie films are getting very tedious it's one of those things that should be quite an interesting subject for a film but never turns out quite right. These films either end up being too far-fetched with some gangster-type plot tacked onto the football violence, or just duller film versions of one of the half a million clips of actual hooligans on YouTube. People fighting at the football can't carry a film on its own, it could only work as one factor in any decent plot.

Superman dat ho

I had a bet on Saints to win as well at 12-1, and that damn ref screwed me out of £60. The Manc derby yesterday put me in mind of that game, but of course it wasn't a big deal because it happened to us

You make "those" sound like thousands. There was about 20 of these arseholes on one single occasion in Luton, looking for the oxygen of publicity. Of course they're horrible faaaackin scuuum and all the rest of it, but the biggest favour anyone could possibly do for them is paying them lots of attention; indeed, their ringleader was interviewed on GMTV a short while later and cheerfully said that the news coverage had done more in getting across their views than they could ever do on their own. What people don't seem to be able to figure out is that the Luton protestors will be as delighted as the far right that the EDL is growing. Hard to get other people interested in a jihad when everyone just shrugs and ignores you, but it gets so much easier when people get radicalised by violent confrontations. More trouble is what the Muslim extremists are after as well. Third post today and I'm out.