Alain Perrin

I hang round Winchester services spying on people cracking one out before the game....

His dad is looking out for his family first and I don't think anything he has said is inconsistent. Of the clubs that are interested, Arsenal have the best reputation of developing young players - better than Man Utd (who haven't done much since the golden generation) and certainly better than Man City or Chelski (with their buy not build mentalities).

Agree completely that these issues should be played out in private, not in public. Cortese was very clear that the gravy train was ending when the Swiss took over. No free tickets, from the top down is what was said. Personally I'd expect everyone who is there for the day out, as opposed to do something, should pay their own way. The only exception is if the club expect someone to go pitchside to be interviewed etc. then I think there's a case for a free ticket. We are not talking a £24 ticket in the family stand here, this is corporate nosh and comfy cushions. If Lawrie is sat in one of those seats in preference to a paying customer then it is costing us twice, once for the food and champagne he consumes etc. and once for the lost revenue from the unsold ticket. The fact that he is bleating about having to go in a different entrance shows this is not about the football, it's about a sense of entitlement. I do have sympathy with the greats argument, but then you have to draw a line somewhere (eg. should Lowe be entitled to a seat on the 10th anniversary of the move to St Mary's?). Better then, IMHO, to have a blanket rule - no freebies.

I can think of 75,000 reasons why he could afford to buy one himself.

It's a beautiful brand that has developed over the years (for loyalty read made the decision that was right for him). He didn't want to leave; homesick, laziness, who knows. But it wasn't loyalty, that's just a convenient coincidental badge of honour. No doubt he loves the club, but don't paint that as the reason he stayed. Otherwise he'd have never considered Spurs.

Two points. 1) Any team would miss Lallana. But we can win without him. 2) Chaplow was absent in the first half, Gobern was (I thought) a little better but both struggled against an effective Notts County. 3) Solent's speculation on Lallana's injury was from someone hanging around the Corporate suite who had a text from someone who knew Lallana. They described this as a 'good source' - horse**** - it is no better than a post on here. Even with Lallana out we should have enough to beat most teams in this league, but let's wait an see shall we. Ok. So three points.

Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm Date Produced: 31 March 2010 Title: Offences against the Person Offence: Assault occasioning Actual Bodily Harm Legislation: Offences against the Person Act 1861 section 47 Mode of Trial: Either way Statutory Limitations & Maximum Penalty: 5 years imprisoment Sentencing Range: Specified violent offence Relevant Sentencing Guidelines The SGC definitive guideline 'Assault and Other Offences Against the Person" applies to offenders sentenced on of after 3 March 2008. Seriousness, culpability and harm The primary factor is the seriousness of the offence committed; that is determined by assessing the culpability of the offender and the harm caused, intended or reasonably foreseeable. Consider the SGC guideline 'Overarching Principles: Seriousness' for general factors when assessing seriousness, culpability and harm. The SGC Assaults guideline states (at para. 22) that use of a weapon or part of the body such as the head usually increases seriousness, and (at para.23) that relative seriousness is based on whether the assault was pre-meditated or spontaneous and on the degree of harm that resulted. Aggravating and Mitigating Factors The most common factors likely to aggravate assaults are: planning of an offence; offenders operating in groups or gangs; deliberate targeting of vulnerable victim(s); offence committed against those working in the public sector or providing a service to the public; use of a weapon to frighten or injure victim; a sustained assault or repeated assaults on the same victim; circumstances such as isolated location, taking advantage of poor lighting, vulnerability of victim The most common mitigating factor is: provocation unintended injury SGC Guidelines The guidelines set out below apply to a first time adult offender who has been convicted after a trial, and on the basis that he/she has not been assessed as dangerous. Pre-meditated assault EITHER resulting in injuries just falling short of GBH OR involving use of a weapon: Starting Point: 30 months custody, Sentencing Range: 2-4 years custody Pre-meditated assault resulting in relatively serious injury: Starting Point: 12 months custody, Sentencing Range: 36 weeks-2 years custody Pre-meditated assault resulting in minor, non-permanent injury; Starting Point: 24 weeks custody, Sentencing Range: 12-36 weeks custody Other assault resulting in minor, non-permanent injury: Starting Point: Community Order (HIGH), Sentencing Range: Community Order (MEDIUM) - 26 weeks custody If the offence was committed in a domestic context, consider the SGC guideline 'Overarching Principles: Domestic Violence' (see Archbold at K-82) If the victim is a child, consider the SGC guideline 'Overarching Principles: Assaults on children and Cruelty to a child'. R v McGillivray and R v Kentsch (see CSP at B 2-4.2) confirm that it is inappropriate to sentence on a basis of racial aggravation if the offender is due to be sentenced for only a non-racially aggravated offence. Cases involving sentence and/or appeal hearing after issue of the SGC definitive guideline More serious offences towards the top and less serious offences towards the bottom Ravenhill [2009] 2 Cr.App.R.(S.) 19 Appellant was a serving prisoner who assaulted a prison officer. Whilst he was being restrained, the victim fell to the floor trapping his leg and the appellant kicked him in the face. Dislocated ankle, broken leg, bleeding nose, bruising and swelling under the eye; two operations. Guilty pleas to two counts, bad record. The Court of Appeal observed that the SGC definitive guideline applies to first-time offenders and so is of limited assistance; sentencing range has to be increased significantly for assaults upon a prison officer. Sentence reduced to two years concurrent on both counts. Emms [2008] EWCA Crim 967 Domestic violence with a history of violence against victim by appellant. Two ABH counts. Count 1 - argument during which the appellant accused victim of having had an affair with his brother. He abused her, grabbed her by the face, put his hands around her neck and squeezed. Swollen and bruised eye.Count 2 - argument the next evening. Grabbed, punched her face, head and body, caused her head to hit a wall and then a table, grabbed her hair, punched, threatened, continued punching and slapped her. Bruising to her back, arms, legs, cheek, left shin and left foot, swollen mouth. SGC definitive guidelines considered. Guilty pleas on day of trial. Lengthy CRO, including violence. On count 1 six months imprisonment and on count 2 - 18 months consecutive. Appeal dismissed. Parker [2010] 1 Cr.App.R (S) 32 The appellant and victim were partners. Having both consumed alcohol, in the early hours the appellant asked her whether she had been cheating on him. She denied that. An arguement began and eventually the appellant grabbed the victim, swung her round, called her a "slag" and punched her in the face knocking her to the ground. The appellant continued to assault her while she was on the ground, repeatedly punching her in the face. The appellant stopped and the victim phoned a relative who came to collect her. The appellant punched her again and continued shouting at her. Two black eyes and other injuries. Late guilty plea. Sentence of two years imprisonment upheld. Abbas [2010] 1 Cr.App.R (S) 47 The appellant barged into a group standing outside a bar. He punched the victim hard in the face, knocking him to the ground and rendering him unconscious as his head hit the pavement. Cuts and bruises to head and one eye. Convicted. The Court regarded it as a case of a drunken over-reaction to events, not premeditated violence. Offence committed whilst on bail. Setence reduced to 15 months imprisonment. R v Pavia [2009] EWCA Crim 1858 The appellant threw a pint glass from close range straight into the face of a former girlfriend in a club. She had asked him not to atttend the club but he had ignored her. She suffered a cut of slightly less than two inches long just below her eye. Convinced after trial. Victim no longer able to undertake modelling work because of the scar. Appellant aged 31 with previous convictions for violence. Sentence of 15 months imprisonment upheld. Morgan [2009] EWCA Crim 659 Domestic violence.Appellant aged 24 and female victim aged 18. Argument in their home, because the appellant thought that she had slept with his brother. Words exchanged, he punched her once, she went to her parents. She returned, the quarrel resumed, he pushed her to the ground, kicked her (not wearing shoes) more than once and punched her to her face before and whilst sitting astride her. Bruising to face and forehead, bruising and swelling to her right arm.Victim made a statement saying that they were reconciled. Guilty plea. One previous conviction for police obstruction. Sentencing judge did not refer to the SGC sentencing guidelines, so not known why he chose a sentence significantly above the suggested guideline. Court did not consider it easy to categorise the offence in terms of an appropriate guideline. Sentence reduced to ten months imprisonment. Nawaz [2008] EWCA Crim 1454 Assault outside nightclub. Altercation including slapping. Victim dragged across the road, floored, kicked and punched by five offenders. Blows to the head and to body.Injuries included a broken nose, grazing and bruising. Guilty pleas. Antecedents varied, the lightest probably being two convictions for possession of cannabis. The Recorder observed that the defendants should regard the sentences of six months imprisonment as relatively lenient. SGC definitive guidelines considered. Held not premeditated, serious aggravating features were ferocious group attack lasting for 10 or 15 seconds and use of a shod foot, broken nose not a minor injury. Court observed that it is necessary to be especially careful not to become fixated on one aspect of the language found in each of the categories set out in the table. Appeals dismissed. McDonald [2008] EWCA Crim 1499 Victim walking home just before 2 am. Guilty plea and committed for sentence in respect of an offence of assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Two main offenders knocked victim to the ground, kicked and punched him. Severe swelling to the right eye and some broken teeth. The appellant's involvement was limited to kicking out once whilst the victim was on the ground; he told the police that he only flicked him and not to cause injury. The two main offenders both received two year sentences. Appellants sentence of 15 months imprisonment reduced to six months. Recent Decisions reported in CSP at B 2-4.3 divided into: assaults on bus conductors and other persons exposed of violence by reason of their position; unprovoked assaults; in course of football matches etc.; on motorists; on spouses; stalking; other cases. See CSP B2-6 for assaults on police officers. Ancillary Orders Compensation Exclusion Order Drinking banning order Anti-social behaviour order Football banning order Top of page Return to Sentencing Manual Index .

I certainly haven't forgotten the Great Escape - that's what I meant by Dellhurst - in fact, I still have my Fez! Pahars role was crucial no doubt. Don't get me wrong, Pahars was a legend in the early years at Saints, but for me it was soured by the last five years where, by all accounts he was a sick note. Read Strachan's opinions - "Pahars has also caught every virus going except a computer virus and he is probably working on that even now.", "Pahars has another bug. I'm sure he goes round all the local hospitals trying to find them. I've never known anyone like him." Although he did have some genuine injuries (hernia, ankle etc.) the view seems to be he was a bit of a shirker. When we were relegated Pahars had a real chance against weaker opposition to spring us back again. Instead he went missing. Missing when we needed him most. So my view is that he sucked wages out of the club for five years with little return (at a time when we couldn't afford it), all the while we were hoping he'd come back this time; no this time; no definitely this time.... Save the Pompey goal in 2003, basically Pahars was great in 1999 - 2001. From then until 2006 though, he was absent. Like I say, I disagree with him being a legend because for me, he didn't try hard enough.

Good luck Marian you workshy parasite. It is a shame my memory of you is tarnished by your 'injury' record. The second time the club really needed you (first being Dellhurst etc.) you went missing. I'm sorry, because you were a great player, but with no bottle.

My opinion is that as far as Cortese is concerned, the club will only sell if a) the money is silly or b) the player really wants to go. £10million is a lot of money, but is it silly? I'd argue no unless all up front + sell on + loanback, then maybe. If it is (b) then we really have no option and need to get best price. I just hope that Alex realises he can be a legend at Southampton and the big contracts will be even bigger then. What we do in life echoes in eternity etc. (and greatness doesn't include sitting on the bench at Arsenal or Liverpool when you could restoring Saints to the Premiership).

Optimism isn't genetic then!

"Son, you have a prodigious talent, you'll have big contracts waved under your nose - more money than most people can ever earn. That'll come, we can't offer you huge contracts now, but we can give you the chance to be something more than being a bench warmer. With Southampton you can be a legend. Your name, like Stokes, like Channon, like Le Tissier, can be associated with history; for your contribution in leading this club back to the Premiership. So come on, sign here."

Oh to be 3-0 with a minute to go singing 'Premier league? You're having a laugh!"...

Hmmmm you've got 20 players in that formation, that'll never be allowed.... BTW. Morgan had a very good game yesterday.

Well at least he got one thing right....

Catch up Solent....

On balance that is good for us. Colchester have more games in hand.

Bull****. If you know a way to play two players in one position please do tell, because I'm sure Fergie could use your services.

Decent enough, but I think he's a bit of a red card waiting to happen.

What a crap thread. I wasn't there either. My seat was empty, have I ripped up my seaon ticket? Feel free to speculate. Stuart Dennis isn't my cup of tea, but he does a job - better than Osman in my opinion. Personally I think we hit a new low when that bloke from Eastenders was crooning on the pitch. It's no wonder we went into admin when we were ****ing money up the wall on that. Bring back the Saintettes I say, our lowest days started when they were removed.

I'm off to text Solent to ask why Bournmouth get less coverage than Saints when they are above them in the table...... oh......

With respect Alpine that's got **** all to do with it. Games are 90 minutes and no team wins every minute - it is the score at 5pm that counts - you fire up the Adkins out / Saints are crap / we're doomed band wagon if we lose the first throw in. All we are saying is give Saints a chance.

Why do the suicide squad (Alpine et al) think games only last 30mins? There were people commenting on how **** Saints were even after 30mins - get a grip on reality FFS. COYR. Sounds like Fonte and Guly had a good game today and hopefully Lambert's strike is the first of many in 2011.

Referees get a bad rep from fans when (most of the time) it is down to players using kidology to win penalties, get players carded or sent off. Witness the Sky commentators bemoaning the fact that the ref 'fell for that' when a player dives - why isn't the player being criticised. Yes, refs make mistakes but they don't have the benefit of super slo-mo replays - and get grief no matter what decision they make. It's not something I would want to do.

Totally ineffective. Can't tackle, plays too many square balls. He went missing today and didn't make enough runs into the box.