Matthew Le God

The holy book endorses it. Modern day Christians cherry pick and ignore those bits. But that doesn't make the character of god in the book kind and loving. He is still an evil baby killing monster in the book.

Absolute nonsense. How can something before or after those passages make them acceptable? I've read before and after, nothing before or after makes them acceptable. You think there might be... so what is it? Pick one and explain.

You are digging a very strange hole for yourself here! 1) What could possibly come before or after god saying slavery is ok that would make it acceptable? 2) What could possibly come before or after god ordering genocides is ok that would make it acceptable? 3) What could possibly come before or after god saying rape victims should marry their rapists that would make it acceptable? 4) What could possibly come before or after god saying infanticide of first born Egyptian childrenis ok that would make it acceptable? 5) What could possibly come before or after god ordering genocides of other tribes andkeeping the virgins for yourself is ok that would make it acceptable? You talk about context, but there is no reason a kind and loving god would list these as instructions. You have dug a hole and can't get out of this, there is no context that makes it acceptable.

You are extremely confused, the whole book I was making was the god of the Bible endorses those things. I then quote from the book and you bizarely say I can't use the book as evidence the book endorses those things. I'd love to know what context god endorsing slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, sexism and homophobia is ok. How on earth can you twist that? The culture and customs are irrelevant, it is supposed to be instructions and stories of god.

What do you think about god ordering his chosen tribe to kill another tribe and keep the virgins for themselves? Or when he instructs rapists to marry their victims? Is that the actions of a 'kind and loving' god?

Because myths and stories about King Arthur and Robin Hood have existed for hundreds of years despite little evidence to support them. Do you think Abraham was related to Noah? Do you believe in a literal global flood genocide story? Yep, you can add Abraham to Luke, Bo, Daisy and Jesse of a list of fictional characters.

I missed out rape... the God of the bible endorses rape! A truly unpleasant character!

I am describing a character in a book, that does not mean I think he manifests in reality any more than if I described the character of Lord Voldemort. Lord Voldemort is less of an evil character than the God of the Bible, he doesn't kill any where near as many people! What is your spin on the Bible passages I posted showing how the character of God endorses slavery, sexism, homophobia, infanticide and genocide?

You ask for evidence that God is a genocidal, sexist, homophobic, rape endorsing evil tyrant. I gave you evidence. Are you still going to deny it? How can you possibly put a positive spin on the most evil fictional character ever created by humankind? He wiped out the global population in a flood ffs... how is that 'kind and loving'? What makes it worse is that if he really is all knowing, he knew that humans would **** up and he'd do the flood. So he is inept as a creator as he failed with Adam & Eve, failed with the global flood, failed with the Tower of Babel and failed numerous other kinds. He is pretty **** at being a God.

Do you think Robin Hood and King Arthur existed?

I haven't seen any compelling evidence that he did. He is supposed to be related to Noah and the global mass genocide flood story is clearly bull****.

Wolf

Toasters added to the thread title to join ducks! Miracle Jesus toast! It must fulfil a prophecy Raging Bull?

Such a kind and loving god!

And the biggest mass genocide of them all by the god of the Bible...

Page one of the Bible says god created everything. If a Christian or Jew does not believe their God created everything then they are not using their holy book. If you insist, there are hundreds of examples for these but here are a few...1) The Bible shows god says rape victims have to marry their rapists Deuteronomy 22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her,and they be found; 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. 2) Sexism - the Bible says women will be punished by suffering in childbirth and their husbands will rule over them Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 3) Slavery Exodus 21 outlines who you can own as a slave... 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. 4) God the baby killer Exodus 11 11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts. 5) God ordering one of many genocides... Samuel 15 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

I have no idea... but why is this remotely relevant to what we were discussing?

I was talking about from the perspective of an all knowing universe creating God that free will is impossible as it conflicts. Under Christianity free will is not possible. I am not a Christian.

No, you've made a claim and refuse to back it up. I can't research a misunderstanding if you fail to say what you think the misunderstanding is! That is clearly not true Let's take slavery... The Bible gives instructions on who you can own as a slave, how much they cost to buy/sell, how long you can own them for and that you can pass the own as property. Or genocide... The Bible shows god ordered the genocide of multiple tribes Or rape... The Bible shows god says rape victims have to marry their rapists Or infanticide... The Bible says god killed Egyptian first born babies Or homophibia... The Bible says gay sex is wrong Or sexism... The Bible throughout places women below men Lots of other horrific things the Bible endorses, yet you bizarrely deny it does!

They haven't closed the borders.

Marian

Free will is not compatible with an all knowing God. If God created the universe and knows the future then he set the universe up in a way before we are born where he knew what would happen. So under the Christian model of a creator god who knows the future... free will does not exist. That makes the whole Adam and Eve 'test' to be ridiculous... how can you fairly give a test to Adam and Eve if you know before they take it that they will fail the test. How is that a fair test? So the Adam and Eve story is clearly flawed and the purpose of Jesus is to fix the problem of original sin in that story.

There is contemporary supporting evidence of his existence. The gospels were written decades after Jesus was supposed to live and was by unknown authors. The gospels contradict each other about the Jesus story so it is hard to take them seriously. They were embellished as the years went on to make them fit prophecy, they get more elaborate with each gospel to make the story sound more impressive.

1) Some historical characters and places are mentioned in the Bible and they have external collaborating evidence to support them. Jesus is not mentioned by any contemporary source. Spiderman lives in New York, Spiderman is fictional... that does not mean New York is fictional. 2) Jesus has nothing to do with the start of Judaism. 3) If you meant Christianity... then the gospels were written decades after Jesus was supposed to live and was by unknown authors. The gospels contradict each other about the Jesus story so it is hard to take them seriously. They were embellished as the years went on to make them fit prophecy, they get more elaborate with each gospel to make the story sound more impressive. 4) Robin Hood and King Arthur have very little evidence to suggest they were real people... yet myths have survived for hundreds of years about them