Matthew Le God

Did you do the second part...?

Clyne was touched by the noodly appendage and it healed him...

Tis but a (superficial) flesh wound. Ronald Koeman says there were no injuries picked up today and the squad is in good shape for Chelsea. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30605421

Give it a go and follow the instructions through.

Because preventing your child getting medical treatment that has been proven by science to work time after time and instead to pray for them when praying has never been demonstrated to work is a form of child abuse. That is why parents have been prosecuted for acting in such a way. What if a Christian strongly believes in this passage from the commandments... ...and then kills their child. Is that okay with you because they believe it strongly? Good people do good things, bad people do bad things; but to get a good person to do a bad thing it often takes religion.

You ignored my rebuttal. What do you think of the man in the article? Do you consider it child abuse to prevent your child from proven to work medical treatment that would cure them because you want to pray to an unproven deity in the clouds?

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Not allowing your child medical treatment in order to pray for them instead is a form of child abuse. It is a believe in the power of prayer that people act in this way, so praying is harmful as it gives false hope. It is also criminal, especially if the child dies from a condition modern science can cure.

What have I said that is insensitive?

Would you say that about children who have died of preventable illnesses that science has allowed us to cure, but whose parents have decided to not take them to hospital and pray for them instead? A false hope in prayer is harmful. For example... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203791/Father-prayed-taking-diabetic-daughter-11-hospital-faces-jail.html That is not an isolated case.

Gardos has finished his one match suspension and is available on Boxing Day. 2 yellow cards - 1 match Denying obvious goal scoring opportunity - 1 match Offensive/insulting/abusive language - 2 matches Serious foul play/violent conduct - 3 matches http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions

It is not me that is wrong here, you are. Kick it Out has an number of campaigns, not just regarding racism... - racism - sexism - faith in football - lesbians and gays in football http://www.kickitout.org/campaigning/faith-in-football/ The phrase "thoughts and prayers" has largely historical Christian cultural connotations in the UK. It is not neutral or something an equality organisation should use.

Of course I hope he recovers, but although this isn't about Clarke Carlisle's situation I still think there it has some relevance considering he is an ambassador for the Kick it Out campaign.

Lucky for me then that there is no solid evidence of prayer ever working.

It doesn't matter which one it is, an equality promoting organisation like Kick it Out should remain completely neutral regarding endorsing any one religion over another (or none at all). Its not equality to have an organisation instituationally endorsing prayer, let alone one that campaigns for equality at its core.

Do you think an organisation that attempts to promote equality in football that Carlisle is an ambassador for should endorse one religion? Saying your thoughts are with someone, their friends and family is fine, but an equality organisation bringing prayer into it is a step too far and surely is against their ethos.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30583740 Should an organisation that campaigns for equality be endorsing one religion over all the others/none? How is that equality? The Kick it Out campaign should be neutral when it comes to religion.

They tried to relate it as closely to the sponsor (a Garmin step/calorie counter) as possible. Problem is that a "play your cards right" guessing game about how many steps someone took in a day isn't remotely entertaining. I'd imagine many didn't have a clue want was going on. A relay race around a slippery pitch with people falling over is what people appear to want at St Mary's.

Its not merely "tiredness", as Koeman says he has been playing for a long time with small niggles, which if we had a bigger squad he would have been given time to get over it. Its all now catching up with him and making him fatigued.

It still appeared Saints are interested, Koeman said similar things about Alderweireld before they signed him. If Sneijder doesn't get an offer from a huge club in January, perhaps he'd be willing to compromise on wages to play in the Premier League with us.

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On what is any of that based?

Saints took 22 players north both Burnley and Sheff Utd game and stayed over the weekend. Included in that 22 players squad is... Tadic - Koeman said was not fit S.Davis - injured Pelle - suspended Hesketh - injured That leaves Saints with 18 players in the travelling party and I guess they haven't bothered naming Cody Cropper as another keeper sub along with Kelvin Davis, so down to 17 players.