Matthew Le God

If you are trying to "out do" me, at least read the article. Holmes throughout is talking about Saints achieving success through league placing. He even discusses him "not being surprised if the had a plan" for Champions League qualification - something that can't be achieved through reaching cup finals. I see you yet again return to petty, personal and offensive insults. It really doesn't help your argument in any way or show you in a good light!

Take this season as an example, only 4 points between the only guaranteed Europa league place through league position and the final Champions League place. Turkish you have just admitted you think Saints can compete for a Europa League place. If they are good enough for that, then they would be far off a Champions League spot. Lee Holmes even makes the comparison with Newcastle himself. You really are digging your own hole here!

I doubt you'll answer any of these, but here goes... 1) He says long term he wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a plan in place for around five years or slightly more. Given he has been at the club the entire time Liebherr/Cortse have been don;t you think he knows more about their intentions than you or I? He has also been released so isn't exactly a club propaganda tool, he is saying so off his own back. 2) As I said earlier, fighting for 5th place (the only league place that guarantees a Europa League spot) often mean you are in the race for 4th place and a Champions League spot for the majority of the season. Do you not agree? I will if you answer both questions. But given your track record I don't hold much hope.

Doesn't look like it to me. See my post above. Again see my post above.

It seems it is you that needs to read it again. At no point does he use the phrase "push for the Europa League in a few years time". Where as this is what he says when asked about the Champions league... And what about the pinnacle of European club competition, the Champions League? “Long term, I think you could only look to strive for that,” said Holmes. “The long term goals between everyone in the club are that they are looking for the highest achievement in football. “I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a plan in place for that to happen in the next five years, or maybe a little bit longer.” In any case if that is what you claim to have been saying "all along", then you also think Saints can challenge for the Champions League! There is only one spot given through league placing for the Europa League. If you are fighting for 5th place then you are likely to be in the race for 4th for a significant part of the season. We have a BREAKTHROUGH!

- 2006 Middlesbrough in a European final - 2010 Fulham in a European final Is it really beyond the realms of possibilities that Saints could make a European final?

Bump! The rumour is back... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4352558/Liam-Trotter-transfer-Millwall-midfielder-wanted-by-Southamptons-Nigel-Adkins.html

I'd imagine Cortese/other senior management give Umbro a brief and then as you say Umbro provide a number of designs and then Cortese ultimately decides.

Like we did for the entire 1980's... 1980 - 1985 1985 - 1987 1987 - 1989

How quickly would Butland likely oust 21 year old, £17 million signing David De Gea? How quickly would Butland likely oust 35 year old Kelvin Davis?

What makes Birmingham a "similar size" and better bet to stay with than moving to Saints? They have smaller attendances, poorer academy, poorer stadium, poorer training ground and most significantly ownership/money problems galore. What makes you think Butland would be 3rd choice at Saints? At the moment we only have Davis as a senior keeper (if you ignore Forecast). I'd imagine Butland would be 2nd choice to start and relatively quickly become 1st choice with Davis becoming his cover/mentor. Especially if Saints shell out £3m+ on him and he wants to be in England contention next season.

Enough to be considered good enough to be on the standby list for the senior team?

Kelvin Davis has been at Saints for six years now. Isn't that long enough to know that it is "Davis" and not "Davies"?

Nothing to do with doing well for England under 21's? Did that have anything to do with Dave Watson? He is also being scouted by a large number of Premier League teams? Why is that? Is that anything do with Dave Watson?

Butland has been called up because he is seen potential long term competition for Joe Hart for the number 1 jersey and to give him international experience of tournament football even though he is unlikely to play. Kelvin Davis is 35 years old and there would be little point calling him up to be 3rd choice if that was the thinking behind what they wanted for a 3rd choice keeper.

He has made his league debut.

Dark Age Warlords, who had power over regions of the British Isles both militarily and in civil control through using a non centralised military force. Nothing to do with Skaro at all. If there hadn't been the break in the family tree in the 15th Century the video link I posted showed then it would be from these Warlords from which the modern Royal Family got their position. Is that anything to be proud of or celebrate? Flukes of birth into a dynasty achieved through oppression and brutality.

I have watched it. The system is meant to work through fluke of birth linking royalty back to Dark Age Warlords. However the program highlights an illegitimate link in the chain, rendering the last 500 years of Royalty as a sham. Even if they were all legitimate, it is still a fluke of birth that they were born into a family related to those Dark Age Warlords who killed and plundered their way to power. What is there to celebrate about that?

Daily Mail also running with the story... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2153416/Southampton-Birmingham-keeper-Jack-Butland.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

We might well be, how many clubs can offer him regular Premier League starts and are in a financial position to match Saints' bid?

I've seen you use this phrase a lot, what do you actually mean by it?

Alan Nixon of the Daily Mirror thinks Saints will spend between "£20-£25m this window". He adds... "Ambition is very real. U will spend. More than most in your 'sector.' " He defines Southampton's "sector" as... "From last season's middle down. Swansea and south in the table." If true, some of you need to reassess your ambitions for the transfer window!

Alan Nixon of the Daily Mirror thinks Saints will spend between "£20-£25m this window". + He adds... "Ambition is very real. U will spend. More than most in your 'sector.' " He defines Southampton's "sector" as... "From last season's middle down. Swansea and south in the table." If true, some of you need to reassess your ambitions for the transfer window.

Things like this make a mockery of the whole system... Why support any of them? They just happen to be the descendants of warlords born into their position through a fluke of birth.

Is this much of a surprise? In any case it is funny to see... Footballing "giants" Crawley Town are currently at a shorter price to win League One than Portsmouth with bookmakers BetVictor and Stan James. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/english-league-1/winner