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KD 8 for his shot-stopping heroics: Zip for organisation and communication with his defence. I lost count of the times the ball bounced across our 6 yd box in the second half and they could have scored a scrappy tap-in half a dozen times, he must take some responsibilty for this. LJ 3: poor game, repeatedly done for pace and nil impact going forward; a squad/cover player at best on this showing. OL 1: you had to be there to see it, beyond woeful. WT 4: sooo slow on the ground but at least he is prepared to mix it in the air. Shocking distribution, either a hoof, a giant header (to no one), or pings it knee high to somebody 10m away. Harding 5: really poor first half, improved in the second. Apparently he delivers a mean cross but I couldn't possibly comment on that as he didn't cross the halfway line all game. Patterson 1: played totally out of position and made himself look a bit of a fool on the night. Not entirely his fault and I quite rate him in the middle but a pro footballer should surely be able to trap, pass, and move in the right positions to receive the ball wherever they are asked to play? Wotton 4: far from our worse player on the day (hopefully Col boy will be replacing him soonest and we can get away from the pathetic scape-goating, anybody who gives him a 0 or a 1 tonight needs to give that mark to half a dozen others too). Morgan 2: FFS! This guy is supposed to be an international captain! Can anybody imagine a 20 year old Cesc Fabregas, or a 20 year old Alan Ball being bullied out a game by 3rd Division S-W-I-N-D-O-N T-O-W-N? He contributed the sq root of nothing tonight (again!). One that needs to shape up or ship out very quickly. Chelsea boy 3: looked good but zero impact. Llalana 2: never a wide player and always narrows our options when he plays there. All the touches but zero impact, in fact, same old, same old. Lambert 4: huffed and puffed and clearly not suited to the lone striker role. Of the current squad, for me, he needs to play with either Llalana or Rasiak (or ideally with a new pocket striker in the Cottee/Dickov mould). Pardew? Funny selection/formation and 'interesting' subs. Fortunately (for him!) he will be judged on where we are after 92 games, so any attempt to do so after 3 is probably a tad premature.

Good news for Gillingham who play away at 'managerless-Colchester' tonight then. A Gills mate saw Swindon on the opening day (Gills won 5-0) and apparently Swindon were rank, worse than most sides they played last season in Div 4. Really hope we win tonight, the big crowd should lift the players surely?

Ticket office phoned me too, excellent service! If you can't collect your ticket before tomorrow then they will send it enveloped up to Swindon and be available for collection at the Swindon ticket office (I was told they'd be there an hour before the game but that's optimistic, at Norwich last season it was 5 mins before the kick off, but hopefully 45 mins before this time). First game of the season and looking forward to it.

Of course they are! I heard from a steward they were going to turn all the seats in the Kingsland to face away from the pitch (he's a very reliable source and he's been right before)

Have to say again here (and whatever we think of the 'personalities' involved) we all owe LC a massive vote of thanks; his money apparently got us through to the end of last season, and again in the summer it looks like he stumped up a cool 500k to keep us going.... thanks Leon!

Mifsud would be quality in L1, he could def DAJFU.

Just use him at ohm then? (he could definitely DAJFU at this level)

Pinacle prices: Fialka said put him down for a match ball and a tannoy announcement for the next 3 games. TL says if he takes you up on the 'bordroom hospitality' option, can he save some money and bring his own half time biscuits?

Wotte a load of word wa^king! What EXACTLY are the 'facts' as known? 1, Is there anything/anybody that catergorically says that Pinacle (or A.N.OTHER) could have (or still can) buy the club with a 'guaranteed' -10 points and a categorical assurance there is not more to come? 2, Where has it been 'officially' said that Aviva will write off the stadium debt for a one-off payment? This is surely a pre-condition to running a debt-free club and the only way SFC in it's current guise can trade as a going concern. 3, How do we know Pinacle had no money, they presumably had enough to pass Fry's due diligance tests, and had enough to lay out up to £1m so far. 4, What alternative models of ownership has Fry investigated? Has he looked into either the Council or a third party taking over a restructured mortgage on SMS, using it as an 'events' venue and new-Saints being tenants at SMS? 5, Do the Swiss exist? 6, Will the FL let us start in L1 if we have no take-over in place? (look at it this way, if the season started on Saturday would we be allowed to play our first game?) Suggest there is not one person on this board who knows the answer to these 6 questions!

How can you be so sure there is not further points deductions to come? Several threads on here this afternoon carry reference to a further -10 or -17; I'm open-minded about that either way... Reality is that with even the risk of further deductions (further deductions = almost certain relegation to L2) then SFC is worth more to the creditors 'dead than alive'. Unless Fry can lie up a cash buyer at 6m-8m PDQ he might as well start auctioning the family silver tomorrow.

Struggled with the loan striker role first half of the season but looked potentially half-decent when playing attacking-mid. Got a load of stick from me first half of the season but he won me over; cheer him on his way if you want to (ditto Surman) but don't expect like-for-like replacements! Reckon DMG will have a really good season at Forest.

Looks like Fry has really fecked over doesn't it? Club stands on the brink and he will walk away with his fat fee, but hopefully his reputation busted. He must have a good idea of the break up value of the club, what's stopping him adding a mill, and selling to the Swiss/ Chinese/ Another consortium tomorrow? That's got to be the creditors' best deal surely? If there are (and there clearly are) gremlins in the background, and presumably further points deductions to come, then we are pretty much nailed on for relegation again. How does that make the club 'worth' 12-14m? FRY ... SELL IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER TODAY..... FOR WHATEVER PRICE THEY WILL PAY....AND GET THE FUUUCK OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON WHILE YOU STILL HAVE SOME REPUTATION LEFT!

I don't believe it is the 10 points they are arguing over .. if it is they are CRAZY... (principles or not!) ... we are well on the way to losing another 10 points in terms of another cra9 pre-season ... no squad .. no manager... no income etc. etc. IF IT IS THE 10 POINTS ... FORGET IT AND TAKE IT ON THE NOSE! They must be arguing whether they/we stand to lose more points in terms of either the CVA or some other 'irregularities'. Where has this idea of starting in L2 come from? Surely if Pinnacle complete and more deductions are then loaded on we will play in L1 at -25 or -35 or -whatever points? Clearly if this is the case ... potentially more points to come off ... certain relegation to L2 ... that puts another 2 seasons away from the Prem (LMFAO!) ... and with even further constrained income. Surely in this scenario the club is worth diddly squat? And not the reported GBP 12-14m that Fry wants? You can't blame Pinnacle for not paying up if this is the prognosis ...? Is it time we looked at Fry's role in all this? He started strongly but has faded badly!

We would certainly lose 10 points if that happened...

''Like a pub side warming up" .... good to see certain things are set in stone where SFC are concerned. Wotte out!

Where the fck has this come from? I'm ****ed, it's 12.30 in the morning, and yesterday I thought we had KK comin' as manager! Oh to be a Saints fan (and never get out of it).

'The FL have a duty to the club ... it's supporters ... blah blah blah' Do they fck! They would love to break the SFC butterfly on their greedy corparate wheel ... pour encourager les autres.

Bring it on ... we would definitely be the Newcastle-of-the-South if this comes off! 30k for the first game at SMS baying 'Kee-gan, Kee-gan, Kee-gan' for 90 mins, (obviously interspresed with Le Tiss, Le Tiss, Matty Matt Le Tiss ... etc). Colly wobbles at the thought!

Where have all the midweek games gone? I probably get to see up to 8 midweeks H and A in a season, as I can't get to see many Saturdays in Oct-March. Presumably there are more Saturday games in that we play on international Sats and from R3 of the FA Cup onwards.... bit of a ****er for any other midweek-ers out there ... I can't see the Johnson's having quite the same appeal as regular league games. I was thinking of an ST if they were the right price but I don't think I can justify it for the amount of home games I can access... pity!

Get a decent manager Keep the players that want to stay, get rid of the want-aways, add to the squad with solid experienced lower-lge pro's Sell 20,000 STs at £200 a throw Get behind the new board/manager/team/players Get crowds of c23k to every game Take a decent away turn out to every game Act (in the nicest possible way!) like the 'biggest' club in Div 3 (ignore the Damned Utd) Let's see where 3 seasons of that gets us ... I would say that top half of the CCC is perfectly possible in 3 seasons time with the right manager and with the fans uniting behind the team.

Shirley it's Brighton v Palace? Unfortunately relegation hasn't moved my home trip from a rather inconvinient 151 miles (2hrs 51 mins) as measured on google maps. We do seem to be playing in Div 3 South though ... I'll be hoping for midweek aways at any of: Gillingham (!), Brighton, Orient, Charlton, Brentford, Southend, Colchester, MK or as far as Walsall. Agree that the 'derby' is probably Brighton but tickets will obviously be a problem. If you want somebody with a bit of size and a bit of previous I'm surprised nobody has suggested Charlton?

fantastic news, thanks for all you have done! COYRs !!!!

Pathetic; I saw your post this morning and couldn't quite believe what I was looking at .. glad you've cleared it up though .. next time I want to see what someone who has been decapitated by a rotor blade looks like I'll know where to come ... that was completely innapropriate and out of order... no infraction points? I can't believe you haven't been bombed straight out of this forum.

I think most people accept this will go 'to the wire', it's just that most people are very concerned about where (when) exactly 'the wire' is .... My understanding is that the holding company is in admin and the football club is still trading... Therefore is there any circumstance in which at the moment we won't be entered into the L1 fixture list? Do we still have our 'golden share'? Is our participation in L1 dependent on some sort of 'bond/deposit' or 'assurances' (from who? from Fry? from 'the club'? ...) Again only my understanding but teams have played through whole seasons while technically in admin ... Presumably in terms of playing on through admin we are beyond the point where this is possible; LC may have paid one wage bill, presumably he won't be able to do this too many times. So when exaxctly does Fry have to accept what ever is on the table if we are to play in Div 1 next season? The reality of course is that he doesn't ... if the best deal (eg liquidation) lies somewhere beyond 'the wire' that is the one he will persue... So to re-phrase the question ... when is the latest a buyer can come to an agreement with Fry that ensures we start in Div 1 next season?