sandwichsaint

Mifsud would be quality in L1, he could def DAJFU.

Just use him at ohm then? (he could definitely DAJFU at this level)

Pinacle prices: Fialka said put him down for a match ball and a tannoy announcement for the next 3 games. TL says if he takes you up on the 'bordroom hospitality' option, can he save some money and bring his own half time biscuits?

Wotte a load of word wa^king! What EXACTLY are the 'facts' as known? 1, Is there anything/anybody that catergorically says that Pinacle (or A.N.OTHER) could have (or still can) buy the club with a 'guaranteed' -10 points and a categorical assurance there is not more to come? 2, Where has it been 'officially' said that Aviva will write off the stadium debt for a one-off payment? This is surely a pre-condition to running a debt-free club and the only way SFC in it's current guise can trade as a going concern. 3, How do we know Pinacle had no money, they presumably had enough to pass Fry's due diligance tests, and had enough to lay out up to £1m so far. 4, What alternative models of ownership has Fry investigated? Has he looked into either the Council or a third party taking over a restructured mortgage on SMS, using it as an 'events' venue and new-Saints being tenants at SMS? 5, Do the Swiss exist? 6, Will the FL let us start in L1 if we have no take-over in place? (look at it this way, if the season started on Saturday would we be allowed to play our first game?) Suggest there is not one person on this board who knows the answer to these 6 questions!

How can you be so sure there is not further points deductions to come? Several threads on here this afternoon carry reference to a further -10 or -17; I'm open-minded about that either way... Reality is that with even the risk of further deductions (further deductions = almost certain relegation to L2) then SFC is worth more to the creditors 'dead than alive'. Unless Fry can lie up a cash buyer at 6m-8m PDQ he might as well start auctioning the family silver tomorrow.

Struggled with the loan striker role first half of the season but looked potentially half-decent when playing attacking-mid. Got a load of stick from me first half of the season but he won me over; cheer him on his way if you want to (ditto Surman) but don't expect like-for-like replacements! Reckon DMG will have a really good season at Forest.

Looks like Fry has really fecked over doesn't it? Club stands on the brink and he will walk away with his fat fee, but hopefully his reputation busted. He must have a good idea of the break up value of the club, what's stopping him adding a mill, and selling to the Swiss/ Chinese/ Another consortium tomorrow? That's got to be the creditors' best deal surely? If there are (and there clearly are) gremlins in the background, and presumably further points deductions to come, then we are pretty much nailed on for relegation again. How does that make the club 'worth' 12-14m? FRY ... SELL IT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER TODAY..... FOR WHATEVER PRICE THEY WILL PAY....AND GET THE FUUUCK OUT OF SOUTHAMPTON WHILE YOU STILL HAVE SOME REPUTATION LEFT!

I don't believe it is the 10 points they are arguing over .. if it is they are CRAZY... (principles or not!) ... we are well on the way to losing another 10 points in terms of another cra9 pre-season ... no squad .. no manager... no income etc. etc. IF IT IS THE 10 POINTS ... FORGET IT AND TAKE IT ON THE NOSE! They must be arguing whether they/we stand to lose more points in terms of either the CVA or some other 'irregularities'. Where has this idea of starting in L2 come from? Surely if Pinnacle complete and more deductions are then loaded on we will play in L1 at -25 or -35 or -whatever points? Clearly if this is the case ... potentially more points to come off ... certain relegation to L2 ... that puts another 2 seasons away from the Prem (LMFAO!) ... and with even further constrained income. Surely in this scenario the club is worth diddly squat? And not the reported GBP 12-14m that Fry wants? You can't blame Pinnacle for not paying up if this is the prognosis ...? Is it time we looked at Fry's role in all this? He started strongly but has faded badly!

We would certainly lose 10 points if that happened...

''Like a pub side warming up" .... good to see certain things are set in stone where SFC are concerned. Wotte out!

Where the fck has this come from? I'm ****ed, it's 12.30 in the morning, and yesterday I thought we had KK comin' as manager! Oh to be a Saints fan (and never get out of it).

'The FL have a duty to the club ... it's supporters ... blah blah blah' Do they fck! They would love to break the SFC butterfly on their greedy corparate wheel ... pour encourager les autres.

Bring it on ... we would definitely be the Newcastle-of-the-South if this comes off! 30k for the first game at SMS baying 'Kee-gan, Kee-gan, Kee-gan' for 90 mins, (obviously interspresed with Le Tiss, Le Tiss, Matty Matt Le Tiss ... etc). Colly wobbles at the thought!

Where have all the midweek games gone? I probably get to see up to 8 midweeks H and A in a season, as I can't get to see many Saturdays in Oct-March. Presumably there are more Saturday games in that we play on international Sats and from R3 of the FA Cup onwards.... bit of a ****er for any other midweek-ers out there ... I can't see the Johnson's having quite the same appeal as regular league games. I was thinking of an ST if they were the right price but I don't think I can justify it for the amount of home games I can access... pity!

Get a decent manager Keep the players that want to stay, get rid of the want-aways, add to the squad with solid experienced lower-lge pro's Sell 20,000 STs at £200 a throw Get behind the new board/manager/team/players Get crowds of c23k to every game Take a decent away turn out to every game Act (in the nicest possible way!) like the 'biggest' club in Div 3 (ignore the Damned Utd) Let's see where 3 seasons of that gets us ... I would say that top half of the CCC is perfectly possible in 3 seasons time with the right manager and with the fans uniting behind the team.

Shirley it's Brighton v Palace? Unfortunately relegation hasn't moved my home trip from a rather inconvinient 151 miles (2hrs 51 mins) as measured on google maps. We do seem to be playing in Div 3 South though ... I'll be hoping for midweek aways at any of: Gillingham (!), Brighton, Orient, Charlton, Brentford, Southend, Colchester, MK or as far as Walsall. Agree that the 'derby' is probably Brighton but tickets will obviously be a problem. If you want somebody with a bit of size and a bit of previous I'm surprised nobody has suggested Charlton?

fantastic news, thanks for all you have done! COYRs !!!!

Pathetic; I saw your post this morning and couldn't quite believe what I was looking at .. glad you've cleared it up though .. next time I want to see what someone who has been decapitated by a rotor blade looks like I'll know where to come ... that was completely innapropriate and out of order... no infraction points? I can't believe you haven't been bombed straight out of this forum.

I think most people accept this will go 'to the wire', it's just that most people are very concerned about where (when) exactly 'the wire' is .... My understanding is that the holding company is in admin and the football club is still trading... Therefore is there any circumstance in which at the moment we won't be entered into the L1 fixture list? Do we still have our 'golden share'? Is our participation in L1 dependent on some sort of 'bond/deposit' or 'assurances' (from who? from Fry? from 'the club'? ...) Again only my understanding but teams have played through whole seasons while technically in admin ... Presumably in terms of playing on through admin we are beyond the point where this is possible; LC may have paid one wage bill, presumably he won't be able to do this too many times. So when exaxctly does Fry have to accept what ever is on the table if we are to play in Div 1 next season? The reality of course is that he doesn't ... if the best deal (eg liquidation) lies somewhere beyond 'the wire' that is the one he will persue... So to re-phrase the question ... when is the latest a buyer can come to an agreement with Fry that ensures we start in Div 1 next season?

I've got it now, feeder club to Man City.... For the price of a Craig Bellamy they can have a whole shadow club to park their foreign youngsters and their spare squad players and the players they buy so-no-one-else-can-have-them.... Fry, get on the phone now; I'm sure the paperwork on joint ownership will be a mere bagatelle to the super-rich?

Day by day we inch nearer to the position I foresaw immediately it was announced that RL had split SLH from the football side, placed SLH in admin (complete with the mortgage on SMS), and was trying to wing it for SFC to be reborn avoiding a points reduction (and walking away from a lot of the debt). Many people welcomed that at the time; some had been actively seeking it. My first reaction was that we had put ourselves in a position where we stood a very real possibility of losing the ground. Is this not still the case? Number 1 is everyone's preffered option: the club is bought out (for 14m?) and carries on much as before 'debt free'. Why is everyone 'assuming' Aviva will take a one-off payment of c6m and effectively give the new owners the freehold of SMS? Is there any evidence there is anybody out there willing to pay 14m cash upfront, with presumably plenty more needed to fund 'rebuilding'? Number 2 might now be the best we can hope for? If nobody wants or can afford to buy the whole lot then Aviva can either sell the stadium to a third party (possibly the council/possibly private/possibly GM!) and turn it into a mixed 'events' venue with concerts/rugby/whatever and Saints being tenants in their own stadium. This model does not deliver a debt-free club and we would be double-whammied by paying rent and be hit by the loss of external revenue. Aviva could of course keep the freehold in the medium term till the economic conditions improve (and possibly the football club too!) and just rent the stadium to a third party. Number 3: somebody buys 'Saints' (very cheaply) and walks away from SMS, we then ground share (either in Div 1) or in the Blue Square and have to start again from ground zero. Number 4: club liquidated, assetts sold, players released, no football club. IMHO all 4 of these outcomes are still runners but I wouldn't like to say in which proportions: 1, at the moment looks unlikely, people keep telling me (themselves!) that 3 and 4 won't happen; by a process of elimination does that leave 2 as the likeliest outcome? I knew we should never have left the Antelope ground ....

Why do you think it 'will get worse' and why do you think it will take us '5 years' to be in a position to push on? IF we get taken over then surely there is a new start for 'everyone'. If someone is going to buy the club for today's figure (now rumoured to be 14m) what interest will they have in running us further backwards? If they are buying us for their own ends then they will need to go forward from day 1. If they are buying as a stop-gap interim to try and stabilise/rescue us and then make money by re-selling somewhere further down the line then again they will not be able to do this unless they take us forwards. IF you are suggesting we get taken over at a very low level by a local butcher, baker and candlestick-maker combo, who have no money to invest, and the internal divisions continue, and the mighty fans continue to wage internicine civil war complete with 'boycotts', then there will be no 'going backwards' or 'getting-worse-before-it-gets-before' scenario; we will be toast in one season if that comes to pass. I cannot foresee any 'mainstream' solution whereby Saints could go even further backwards than where they are now, continue to trade for another 5 years, then start recovering. For me, if we are to continue as a league club next season and actually start the season then 'the only way is up' (even if 'up' means stabilising in the middle of Div 3 and balancing the books) we simply do not have the opton of floundering about for another 5 years; we go forward from here or we perish!

Cool! Let's hope Fry and Pinacle are playing poker and not tiddlywinks.

Saints are only a 'bargain' (at whatever price) if anyone will buy them, and at the moment that ain't happening. No doubt you or I, if we had the money, would love nothing more than spunking GBP15m on the mighty Saints, unfortunately it's not you or I that's involved. What does the £15m buy you? A team, a fixture list, a stadium, a training facility, a farm, a house, some fairly non-descript players (and a few OK ones) ... then what? 15m is only to get your foot in the door, any 'potential' is a long way (and a lot of hard cash) in the distance .... say £50m and 5 years to get us back in the Prem? That's probably an under-estimate .... where's the return on the £15m coming from, you or I would pay that, not sure whether a 'neutral' would? I'm not understanding the Brighton thing either (haven't read it so that might explain it!): £93m! Is this the price of the stadium? The price to re-build the whole club playing-wise? The price over a 5-year plan? Who's putting this money up? It must be a private individual/backer(?), there can surely be no case for an 'economic' return on £93m? A 5% return would equate to Brighton turning a £4.5m every year ... how can they do that? Footie .... gone mad ..... gone bad!

Coffee on keyboard and monitor!