revolution saint

Vegetarians are next.

I played it when I was a kid and then went that one geeky further step and got into "proper" wargaming - I had both a Gallic and a Carthaginian army. I grew out of that stage by the time I left school. It is a geeky pursuit but then I think adults playing computer games are geeks and it's no more geeky than that.

So it was just the money then?

I'm gutted - he was my north, my south my blah blah blah

ha ha talk about making presumptions. My reaction is against those on this thread who seem to feel as if this is a death in the family or as if Markus personally touched them. He didn't. What do you people do when someone you actually know dies? Go into meltdown? You know as much about me as you do about Markus and yet you're as happy to slag me off and make judgements as you are to laud Markus. Fact of the matter is you like him because he had pots of money and he spent it on Saints. That's great and I love it. I hope he enjoyed it and I'm very thankful that he spent it on us. I'm sad he died, really I am, but I refuse to speculate about a bloke I never knew. None of us ever heard him speak. If I was a member of his family and some of the stuff on this thread was said to me by complete strangers I would think they were strange and a bit weird. I wouldn't presume that he had as much as impact upon my life as he did on the people he knew - but that's how a lot of you come across. You mention a lack of empathy. I have nothing but empathy for Markus's family which is why I wouldn't presume to "feel their pain" or pretend I did because, again, i never knew him. I can say how much I recognise their loss but a lot of you are confusing their loss with "our loss". Our loss is just a bloke we never knew who had a lot of money and seemed a decent sort and that's it. So get over yourself - I've got plenty of friends in the real world and none of them feel like the bed wetters on here.

Yep, I do and Hypo doesn't. I think it's silly and I don't mind putting it out on here. I think this is over sentimentality. To be honest i don't really care if you disagree - as you've said countless times this is an internet forum and it's all up for debate.

Bloke buys a watch for his mate....that must be the most touching story I've ever read. I'm sorry but this thread is making me wretch. Will people stop pretending Markus was Mother Teresa. I'm sure he was a nice bloke and I am sad he's dead but really? Some of the posts on here are just very sad - have a bit of dignity and stop pretending this is the end of the world. If I was Markus or knew him I would be embarassed by this thread.

It's a rubbish reason why photographers were banned and blatantly made up. Even banning press photographers wouldn't have stopped your happy snappers in the stand. One of the more silly stories this summer.

lol at the person who doesn't know what avuncular is! Or perhaps you forgot what side of the argument you were on today? Do you argue with yourself? I bet you do / don't....please delete as the mood takes you...

Like firemen? Oh no those bastards can go on strike so screw them. Or nurses nope they earn too much and can't possibly be compared can they? if you want a bit of respect then you have to give it as well . I don't see anyone denigrating servicemen and I don't see anyone slagging them off - there's a few people who think they don't deserve free tickets and that's all. If you're ****ed off with the way this thread is going it's because you couldn't accept an alternate point of view.

I have a mate who works in MacDonalds and he loves it - does he get a free ticket? He is quite poor but can speak English.

If infantry soldiers are that clever couldn't they get a better job and not have to rely on free tickets?

Is the answer No?

OK, that's a fair justification.

Tricky this one. I want to give you the right to an opinion then but then I'd have to do the same for St. George.

You only need Dune's reply to answer that. I wasn't drawing party lines merely showing that others would. My original post pointed that out but happy to explain it again for the hard of thinking.

If this was a Labour MP or a union leader they would be labelled a socialist traitor (although I'm not saying you would do that but plenty would). In this particular case I don't be believe it would be morally right to appoint someone to this position when they have avoided paying that much tax albeit legally.

Does anyone feel that the grief on the main board is a little over the top? I really don't mean to criticise anyone who feels that pain that deeply but I'm afraid I don't share it in quite the same way. Of course it's sad and of course I sympathise with his family and friends but it's hard for me to feel exactly like they do because I never knew him. Some of the suggestions such as renaming the stadium and ending all your posts with WIFM just seem very weird to me. I'm not trying to be inflammatory or controversial but does anyone else think the same or am I just a heartless b**tard?

Yep, will do. Tell you what I'll give you a count of ten to run away.

To be fair he's worse when he has the ball....

It always makes me laugh when football is described by chairmen as a business and then when you're fighting relegation they need your help, we're all in this together etc etc. Well if football is a business then price it accordingly - if i go and see a film then I have a high degree of probability that I'd be satisfied. If I see and a game and we've lost or drawn then I'm disappointed. If I support an average side then that's a 66% chance of disappointment and I shouldn't have to pay full price to endure that - i'm a customer not a fan and the company has let me down ergo I won't go again. Ludicrous isn't it? We are fans and we endure the bad results - little things like charging to park in what would otherwise be an empty car park when you're already paying to use their coach isn't going to encourage people to go away and it won't bring in much money. It'll do more harm than good. I'll say it - I'm glad of Marcus Liebherr but Cortese? Not sure. His decisions are becoming increasingly bizarre and if he talked to the press I wouldn't be surprised to hear a Klingon reference.

Clearly you made the right choice and you echo my own thoughts on glory hunters. Ultimately we should feel sorry for them because they'll never feel that same sense of kinship with a club. The thing that gets me is that they always justify it by telling you they've been a glory hunter for x number of years as if being a long standing one is any better than being a recent one.

I went to the game yesterday and didn't think it that bad. I'm in the minority because it seems everyone disagrees with me. There are problem areas of course but it's not THAT bad. I expect I'll get a load of flak for daring to suggest that but I've seen a lot of poor performances and that wasn't one of them. It's a shame really but reading the posts today it seems the anger hasn't died down - people are still really angry and I can't relate to them at all. Oh well, we're all saints fans and want the same thing but after this weekend? Well, I'm just glad I don't sit near most of you.

1. 28 is generally considered prime of players career - I don't care what your personal opinion is. 2. No, you included what you read on the internet and not fact. Stop pretending you didn't 3. Two players with different style in the same position can of course be compared together if you have imagination of course calling you myopic was a mistake - I meant you are someone who believes their opinion is more important than any other and believes it is probably fact. I apologise for saying you are just short sighted.

I'll take issue with your argument just because you were a bit too aggressive. Firstly you can compare Puncheon and Antonio - they play in the same position so that's point one done and dusted. Secondly As you don't know what Puncheon's transfer fee was nor what Reading are asking for you can't then say "ergo the game (not me) already rates a youngster with hardly any starts under his belt as the equal (at least) of a player in his prime" You actually don't know so stop guessing and then presenting that as fact. Thirdly Puncheon is what 23/24? Not quite the prime of his career then. You're so myopic you couldn't see the other side of the fence if you were stood on it.