revolution saint

Did you see him get off the plane? The guy could barely walk...My Grandad died recently of prostate cancer and trust me your "terrorist" is not capable of doing much damage in that condition. You seem to have a problem with liberal and compassionate though - is the world that bad a place for you?

Yep I'll agree with that.

IIRC Iraq disputed ownership of Kuwait oil fields and claimed Kuwait was nicking it's oil by slant drilling. What isn't in dispute is that Iraq was in hock to the Kuwait and the US following the Iran and Iraq war to a massive amount and they were calling it in. Iraq tried to keep oil prices high so that it could repay that debt but Kuwait wasn't having any of it (backed by the US) and in the eyes of the Iraq administration was guilty of economic aggression. This doesn't excuse the Iraq administration but in my opinion (and that's all it is) America and Kuwait could have avoided the war - they didn't need to push Iraq into that particular corner and they must have known what would happen. Still it all ended nicely for them.

I hope you have proof of that? Otherwise it's opinion.

I honestly don't know. I'd hope procedures and precedents were followed to ensure consistency. As for him personally then I wouldn't really be bothered him but it's not him that would suffer - it's his family and they would be as innocent as the people who died. Add to that the cost of his health care during his final months and you'd maybe start to think "why should we pay for it?" There's already enough on here bemoaning health care for immigrants to make me believe that many would actually be in favour of releasing him on those grounds alone. Or would they make an exception for convicted murderers? As I say, for him alone (if there was no doubt whatsoever and he had admitted it) then it wouldn't bother me if he died in jail but there are other factors to consider and in this case specifically there are very real doubts about his conviction.

Bexy, thanks you saved me the trouble of posting that. The biggest thing for me is that he was forced to give up his appeal in order to go home to die. What kind of logic is that? Admit you did it and we'll let you go free to die, carry on saying you're innocent and we'll make you rot? It doesn't make sense, it is in fact saying we only have compassion for people who admit to being mass murderers but not the people who continue to say they are not guilty. Aint forever - You may be right about it being £££'s however it could be the £££'s Libya needed rather than the ones we did - Libya needs the western world more than we need them. Having read what I can about the case I'm undecided - I'm suprised anyone can come to a conclusive judgement but I suppose it's easier to live in a black and white world?

ROFL.....I bet you came out of the latest republican health care commercial weeping too, didn't ya? Heh..You wouldn't want to see my movie on the corrupt nature of the health care companies and their lobbying...would scare you to death Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'commercial'....especially if you have an agenda going in

Entirely off topic but it's people not "peeps" - Stavros made it vaguely funny but that was a while ago. The other thing is why would you consider going back to a system you consider "ugly" when you have the great US system on your doorstep? Unless it would be because you couldn't afford it? Another thing is "free drugs for pregnant women" how outrageous! I'm presuming you're talking prescription but even if you're talking the illegal kind then who cares if it's part of a controlled programme to get off drugs? Something stupid like 80% of crime is drug related (it's probably higher) so anything that gets people off drugs must be good and will reduce crime and the cost to society. I'm sure kids that don't have addicted parents probably have better opportunities in life and it helps break the cycle - that's holistic thinking for you. Finally your taxes paid for your time here and you no longer contribute (I'm assuming you pay no taxes anymore?) You can get collect your pension - entitled to that I'll grant you but if you're an American citizen now then why should we pay for you now? You made your choice now live with it. You've moaned often enough about immigrants leaching off this country and I'm sure you wouldn't want to be yet another leach would you?

The manner of last night's defeat is the big worry - I didn't go but a friend of mine did. She's normally pretty level headed but she was quite down about the game. However, we had a really, really poor team last year that got worse through lack of confidence, we've lost our so called better players (and still spent less than we've brought in), the team only won once in pre season, the new manager hasn't for whatever reason been able to plug the gaps yet and he hasn't had a lot of time to do that and coach the side - he didn't have his own assistant until just before the start of the season and our scouting network is apparently non-existent. There's a lot of reasons why it will probably take time. It's easier to type "we need to cut out goals from set pieces" than it is to actually do it, just as it's easier to say "we need a complete lump of a central defender" than actually sign one. Interestingly most people seem to highlight what we need but don't say how we get it - for instance who do we sign in central defence? There's a few candidates out there and perhaps we've gone for them but it hasn't come off? Perhaps the free agents available are the mercenary types we condemn Saga and Rasiak as being (and anyway do we really want unmotivated players on large wages hanging around)? Who knows? Unfortunately with the games coming thick and fast there's little time to actually coach the side now - it's about making the most of the little time available, improving fitness and hopefully confidence. And of course hoping we can get in the players that will improve the team. Before the start of the season we had people saying, "I'm just glad we have a club to support" and "it'll be tough but a midtable finish will do for me". Now however it's a critical time, I don't think it is yet. Apologies for rambling. I'm no apologist for Pardew - most of my family are Charlton fans and they hate him but it would seem that he does have a few excuses to draw upon at the moment. He did say that it would take time when he pointed out the teams deficiencies and as I recall most people applauded him saying he "was telling it like it is" - presumably that only lasts for 3 games into the season?

Shame about Lorenzo, that was shaping up to be quite decent. Good work by Elias though.

It happened to us a while back when Mark Hughes smacked a shot so hard into the net it hit the hoardings behind and flew out. We didn't complain that much at the time. Colin is being a bit disrespectful to Gary Johnson who actually once got his Yeovil side to score an own goal because they'd scored by mistake when they were trying to give the ball back to the opposition. Colin meanwhile moans and groans about everything with no sense of perspective. I once remember an incident where the ref actually changed his mind about a decision during a game (to the correct decision) but to the detriment of Colin's team. Colin then spent the post match interview moaning that though the correct decision in the end was made, the ref should have stuck to his original decision. I can't remember Warnock ever being anything but partisan in support of his team. Gary Johnson on the other hand comes across as a fairly decent bloke. That said it was a goal.

That he would be key for them, star player and terrace favourite.

I always buy the season preview 442, it's normally fairly good although I hardly ever agree with their predictions about Saints. This one is particularly bad but that's mainly due to the fact it was written just after the takeover had occured and Wotte had been sacked. Pardew hadn't been appointed and obviously we hadn't signed anyone although we had sold a fair number. I guess at around that time things didn't look quite so good as they do now.

When I worked for the NHS I couldn't access this site. I have to admit I didn't realise that people were employed as exporters of nets though - that must be a niche market or do you cast it far and wide?

It's OK for you lot but I called my newborn son Tac-Tics. How embarassing is that? I'm going to smash his head against a wall and forget all about this whole sorry mess.

It was a joke - I'm not that into eugenics.

Johnny, just what is it you're driving at? Do you want me or anyone else to say that the NHS is funded by the taxpayer. OK well it is (or probably the majority of funds raised are). Most people already know that, it's not an earth shattering revelation but if it will make you happy then there it is.

Yes, weird isn't it? You'd have thought they'd put something up. It's got to be another signing today!

I'm not sure it's a question of whether Gillett is better than Wotton but whether Gillett is actually that good. I don't think he is but that's opinions for you. I certainly can't see Gillett as a holding midfielder as some suggest though - he buzzes around a lot and would to my mind be more of a box to box type. Unfortunately I'm just not sure he's that great at it.

Night Johnny. I'm sorry to have shattered a few illusions - there's just one more. Father Christmas isn't real but on the plus side neither are the monsters under the bed.

Oh FFS you even quote a link that says free at the point of need!

Ha ha, you must be on a wind up! Surely no one is that stupid! Did you really think free at the point of use was free? You did, didn't you? I bet you get all excited about winning the reader's digest lucky prize as well.....

I'm sorry but I'm going to keep doing this - where has any politician ever stated the NHS was free? Just give me one quote. I'm glad you agree with the OP though. The rest of your posts are decent - start a thread on them as a general NHS one is just too.....well general....to reach any sort of consensus. The idea that what should and shouldn't be paid for though has actually been set up (to a degree) with NICE. They recommend the drugs which should be used and they have difficult decisions to make - any body that makes them would. You were arguing against them earlier though weren't you? You can't have it both ways - either you want a body that will decide what is and what isn't cost effective or you don't.

True. It's when they breed that annoys me but that's a different debate.....

OK, leaving aside morons no one thinks it's free.