revolution saint

Does anyone else find it ironic that we've supposedly built a structure to avoid instability that has resulted in.....well, instabilty?

Oh why not state the bleeding obvious? Of course it's about who I think would be better against who you think would be. None of us know. The difference is that I don't call people who disagree with me crying 13 year olds. try some reasoned debate and tell me why my picks are so bad? Or is that too adult for you?

Says the man who consistently sounded out the siren call, "No More Excuses FFS" last season. Sorry mate but you're exactly the reason why I don't think Adkins would get enough time. Me, I'd probably be defending him against you. Hypocrite.

But of course a "name" brings advantages that a non-name (for want of a better word) doesn't. It galvanises the fans behind them, gives a feel good factor and an environment more conducive to winning. Like it or not a "name" would buy more time to get it right. Oh and if the debate between potential and experience doesn't interest you then what are you doing on this thread? I'd say you haven't really read the reponses of people who have put together a largely reasoned argument as to why they wouldn't want someone who only has "potential". Instead you come up with a stupid analogy about 13 year old kids.

Yeah to be fair that was a mistake including him in that list.......

Well I think my argument is more about why Adkins wouldn't be my choice but since you ask then I would view any appointment that isn't at least as good as Pardew's standing is now as disappointing. Personally I think we need someone who demands respect from both the fans and players - I don't think Adkins does either. I'd go for Keegan if he wanted it, Shearer, Mowbray, Brown or even Megson - they've all handled the expectation that comes with this job and delivered a certain amount of success. Who would you go for though?

Bloody quick reader aren't you? I suggest, to get this back on topic, that we get someone with experience of handling big expectation - what else did you think I would say?

And you replied by saying "How do I know that?" I know that by reading their forums. I know that because they DON'T expect success and they HOPE to stay up. You on the the other hand merely suppose that by now Scunny would have fan expectation to move on - they don't. They want Adkins to stay because they don't have any further aspirations and know they are lucky to be where they are - they appreciate the job he's done and it is a good one. It's a totally different proposition to the Saints job though.

As much supposition on your part as mine I think. How do you know they do expect success? Show me one Scunny fan who demands anything other than staying up?

Except of course they don't expect it yet. They got promoted and then relegated and stuck with him. They got promoted again and just about stayed up and now their hope not expectation is to stay up again. hardly the same as getting to the premier league with a set of demanding fans and a demanding chairman is it?

Got us relegated the first year - can't NC giving Adkins that much of a learning curve to be honest. Thing is you or I can quote precedents from both sides of the argument and ultimately those precedents are irrelevant in a debate over whether this will be a success or not. Unless you could point to Adkins having been in a similar situation before?

I think the thing is Adkins has achieved success for Scunny in a totally different environment to what he will find here. At Scunny he had no expectation and little pressure - at Saints he will have huge amounts of both. He's used to getting the best out of limited players - here he'll have to deal with ego. To get results at Scunny he would have had to stop the opposition and effectively become one of those teams that we struggle to break down - opposite problem here. He could be great but personally I don't think it's the right move for either him or us and I feel a bit sorry for him. He'll constantly be compared to Pardew and I would imagine that most people would rather have Pardew. I hope he proves me wrong but it seems a totally uninspired appointment.

Good point although we're looking to get promoted after getting to the championship so our ambition doesn't end there unlike S****horpe. I'm sure he's a good manager and if he gets the job then I wish him well but let's face it - he won't initially impress the players and he certainly won't initially impress the fans. His constant benchmark will be is he better than Pardew and my initial reaction is no. Course that's only my first impression and I hope I'm wrong but it looks as if the fella needs to get off to an absolute flyer to get the advantages that a "big" name would already have.

I actually feel sorry for Adkins if he gets the job now. Not got the stature to attract players, not got the stature to excite the fans. I hope he can give a bit of confidence to the players which apparently he's good at but it looks like he's stepping into a vipers nest at the moment. Poor fella.

Switzerland isn't that far away from Milan, probably nipped over the border to make sure Leonardo isn't having second thoughts

To be fair SOG has ****ed all over alpine in this argument. Alpine needs to do better.

Is the point of this thread to comment on your opinion? Yaaaaawn!

I'd agree with this and Mowbray has the advantage of having managed a club of similar size to us. I get the impression that we've probably got more coaches than Scunny have players so it might be a bit of a culture shock for Adkins coming here. Everything I've read about Adkins suggests he could do well here but we face a different set of challenges to the ones he faces at Scunny - everyone talks about having a plan B to break teams down but I doubt that's something he's had to worry about much before. Having a small but talented squad might work in his favour though as it looks as if that's when he's at his best. I'd be happy with either but we'll probably have a new favourite come tomorrow - if I lumped £50 on Leonardo we'll probably be talking about him instead.

The theory only breaks down if you assume that NC had a plan of what to do after he sacked AP. Doesn't look like he did.

To be honest I agree with you but playing devils advocate for a bit what can MON actually hope for? He won't get a top four club now, or at least in the near future so that leaves premier league also rans (which he's just left) and ambitious second tier clubs. You'd have to say this would be an exciting project to take on so it's not beyond the realms of possibility although I'd admit very unlikely. Him and Cortese seem like a match made in hell but would be a lot of fun.

Count the minutes till Alpine slagged him off. My guess is one.

No problem - I was just explaining why it's in all probablity untrue. WAFFLE (Win Again For Fat Liebherrs Everywhere - Is it to soon for that?)

So that would be Dean Wilkins as well? Nope, sorry still not making sense. In any case whichever way you look at it NC has dropped a b**lock - he should only have sacked AP and his staff when he had his successor lined up. The only exception to that would have been gross misconduct and in which case his staff wouldn't have gone with him.

Well that doesn't make sense! If he applied for the job then under that logic you could possibly sack him but not his staff.