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http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24471-Songs-for-Markus

Please people. Everyone is gutted about today's news, but can we at least show each other some respect by not attacking each other posters in threads like this. In the oppinion of many people, including myself, now isn't the time to discuss club matters. However it is a legitimate question which will no doubt be playing very strongly on peoples minds once they have gotten over the shock. If you disagree with this thread, do not post on it. On the other hand; please do not attack those who do. Thanks

Sh*t. Shocked. Stunned I don't know what to say. RIP. I can't even begin to think what this means for Saints. Thoughts go out to his family.

When Jones left Saints last time he gave the death of a Spannish LB as a reason that he should, 'seize the opportunity' and move on. This despite the fact that Jones went on strike 4 days before the Spannish player died.

No doubt this latest move was inspired by the death of Adam Stansfield.

I'm going to say 2-1 to South Coast Club. Goals scored by old black centre half and tall scouse striker (the latter being scored from White dot in penalty area).

I'd have: From the current lot Arse Chelsea Mancs x2 Scousers x2 Spuds Villa Newcastle Makems Brum WBA West Ham Then I'd add Saints Leeds Blades Wednesday Norwich Derby Forest So we are losing Blackpool, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Fulham, Wolves and Stoke

I've unlocked you're original thread FFS!. You are free! Go discuss Craig Bellamy! Down with oppression! Down with censorship! Down with internet moderators! Down with Thatcher! Down with the Berlin Wall! The Truth must come out! Im off to bed.

Fine, have a Bellamy thread. Then you can put up with 5 pages of people telling you you're a complete plank. I'll even unlock it for you (and lock this one).

Had a bit of a lol tonight when they were announcing the bit about Britannia Road being a public highway etc. on the PA system at the end. Some bloke behind me starts singing, "on the road, on the road, on the road!" The "Is there a fire drill?" chant made me lol too, have to admit I haven't heard that one before. Great atmosphere overall though, especially second half. I swear the volume didn't change when Adam scored. It just change from a very loud, "OWTS" to lots of cheering.

No. Just... no.

Hate to post a negative thread after a decent result tonight, but I just don't understand why we bought Seaborne. He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire at Exeter and IMO has looked very average since he came here. My main gripe is just the constant hoofing. Often when he had plenty of time and space to take it down and play it. I think the main reason for our poor play in the first half was down to him and Davis lumping it up the pitch constantly and expecting all 5ft 10' of Lee Barnard to win it on his own. Of all our current CB options I'd be inclined to give Martin a few games with Fonte.

Some people really do struggle to spot the ironing in their posts...

Spoken to somebody who is ITK and they reckon he's off to Villa.

On the one hand, I'd love a big turn out and a cracking atmosphere. On the other, it would be funny if Bournemouth cam along all excited about their local derby and we just couldn't give a f**k and nobody turned up.

I have two thought on this: 1) Cortese is being a bit of a muppet. The photographers, the STs and the booking fees are all small niggling annoyances, which are completely unnescessary. 2) I don't give a flying f**k if The Sun likes us or not. They're not the most popular paper in football circles anyway (Hillsborough anyone?)

That's settled then. You're on the sofa bed.

Hmmmmmmmm...

Sweden has a population of about 10,000. The UK is about 62,000. Proportionately we still have a larger number of troops out there, but I wouldn'y expect Sweden to match the UK's contribution. To be fair, you have a point. It would be nice if countries like France, Spain, Italy and Germany matched our contribution out there.

Okay, please tell me you're having a laugh. Also, is it really 19,000? I though we only had about 10,000 out there.

We can't just bail out of Afghanistan now. It would leave the country in a complete mess. There would just be decades of civil war and more evil dictatorships as bad as the Taliban vying for power. Not only would it be completely unethical on the poor bastards unfortunate enough to live there, but it would completely nulify the sacrifices of all the servicemen who've dies there. We'd probably just end up doing the same thing in 20 years. Again, it's a short term solution which will leave us up sh*t creek in the long term. P.S. As Delldays has aluded to, this isn't even close to a 'colonial war'. We're in Afghanistan with most of NATO, which I think is some 40 odd countries. It's not just the UK and USA in there, not by a long way.

I've been telling the stewards I'm smuggling drugs into the ground for years. Still no cavity search.

Well, for a start getting an aircraft carrier suitable for FA-18 deployment would take the best part of a couple of decades in all likelyhood. The need for the upcoming Queen Elizabeth class carriers was first established at the back end of the '90s and aren't scheduled to enter service for another 5-10 years. If we assumed a similar time frame to build an FA-18 capable carrier, we're looking at an entry into service date of 2030. That gives us just 5 years until the FA-18's best before date is reached. Even if the RAF managed to stretch another decade out of that, it's still only 15 years of service with a 70 year old fighter. Even if we had planned the FA-18 from the off, that's an entry into service date of 2015 with the QE class carriers. Now, The F-35 prototype first flew in 2000. The aircraft is scheduled to first enter service in 2014. So it will probably enter service in 2017. If you take that as roughly the norm for a new fighter these days, you are going to have to start looking for an FA-18 replacement 17 years before the end of it's shelf life. 2035, minus 17 years would be 2018. So... you've got FA-18's costing billions of dollars being delivered in 2015 and by 2018 you're looking for a replacement aircraft. Or if we went for old, off the shelf technology again, then you could probably order some F35s in say 2030 to enter service in 2035. Then you get 20 years out of the FA-18. These are all sh*t scenarios. Why spend billions on FA-18s now, then billions more on F35s in 20 years time, when you could just buy F35s now. Delldays, I think we both agree in principle. The best, most cost effective scenario is never going to win votes. Most people just want the cheapest solution to our needs NOW, without looking at the bigger picture.

We can't afford to keep running ancient sh*t either. Can you imagine the running costs of 50 year old VC-10s compared to a modern A330? Fuel burn alone is probably triple. They will be massively maintenance heavy and all the parts have to be specially made by BAE systems at considerable expense. It's a similar story with the most of the aircraft in the RAF. You will not save money by having crap old machinery. Buying brand new, 30 year old planes isn't going to help either. To put it into a football analogy, lets say Saints got to the Prem and needed a new top notch 'keeper. You find two candidates equally good. One is 22 years old and costs £6m. The other is 35 and costs £4m. Which would you go for?