Whitey Grandad

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You are displaying your own limited experience and views here. EHIC - It's ok f you're young and healthy but just wait until you get older and start to have medical conditions and a complicated medical history. Insurance can cost well into four figures. Travel insurance - Not an expensive purchase? See above. More than 90 days - Many people lead a dual existence between different countries. EU driving - You obviously don't remeber the bad old days. Two type of international driving licence needed and geen cards for insurance. Immigration queues - "Might take a bit longer outbound" Just a 'bit'? Try two or three hours. You must be too young to remember the bad old days. Pet passport - Just because you don't have a pet doesn't mean that many, many others don't. I know several people that do. As I have said before, selfish and irresponsible.

Interesting, thanks. That still wouldn’t change the situation from yesterday that I described. Player looks offside, assistant flags, referee doesn’t whistle, defenders concede a corner from which the attackers score.

We should have had that three years ago.

There is a Common Travel Area between the Republic of Ireland and the UK. This applies only to people and not to goods. Johnson doesn’t know the difference. The longest international border in the world is between Canada and the USA at 8891km and has 119 crossing points. The Irish border is 499km and has effectively an infinite number of crossing points.

In yesterday’s game there was an incident of possible offside again Man Utd (around 37 minutes?) where their right winger looked offside but he flag wasn’t raised leading to us conceding a corner. We know that the assistants have been told to keep their flags down if they are not certain in the belief that if a goal follows imminently the VAR can correct it but what if Man Utd had scored from that corner? VAR would not have reviewed the possible offside because it was in a different phase of play.

“If he’d got close” This is the Premier League, not a Sunday morning pub team. If he’d got close to James then he would simply have slipped the ball to Mata. It was two on one and Cedric was left exposed by his colleagues.

There is nothing “clean” about a no-deal Brexit. It would be the dirtiest, messiest, filthiest carnage that you could ever have the misfortune to endure. But that is what you voted for.

That free kick was awarded by the linesman. Dean wasn’t going to give anything until he flagged. There had been a hand in Young’s back a couple of seconds before but not enough to send him flying.

The Parliament represents the people. The Council represents the governments.

No they don’t. It doesn’t work like that. The two don’t operate on n isolation. You’re just not used to cooperational politics. You said that the EU Commission was the body that controls all and that the other bodies do as they are told. This is so far from reality as to be laughable. But that’s what paranoia will do to you. It makes yo see things that aren’t there.

The Commission proposes. The Council disposes.

When I say ‘we’ I mean the UK government which would have had control. If by ‘we’ you mean you and me then we (you and I) have control over nothing and nobody.

Whatever you seem top be afraid of at least inside the EU as a member state we would have had control over what might happen. Outside we can only watch and worry. Even if, 10 years down the road, the EU should somehow morph into a supra-national political entity I would personally much rather be a part of it instead of on the outside waiting for a few scraps to be tossed our way.

And a cost to every UK taxpayer of £0.50 per person.

Your lot have got a free hit.

Do you see, you cannot come up with any reasoned arguments so you resort to the insults of the playground. I am really, totally sickened that I live in a country that includes such puny intellects as yours.

There are no countries with whom we don't have a trade deal at the moment (except North Korea, but they don't count). Every other country in the worls has a trade agreement with somebody else. It used to be said that Mauritania was the only country that traded solely on WTO terms but even that is not the case. When we leave we shall have no agreements with anybody. Good luck with that. However, tariffs have nothing to do with it. Neither does cost. It's all about the ease of doing business and that requires close and frequent contact with your customers. How about this from The Leave Alliance 12th October 2017: "A no deal Brexit is akin with performing separation surgery on conjoined twins with a hammer and chisel without anaesthetic, hoping that the weaker one will live." http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=269

I can't find the original post from Guided Missile but my responses to his points are below: "For me the benefits of no deal are: a) The prospect of saving £39 billion to spend on UK priorities rather than EU vanity projects and pensions. b) We can then negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, without having given them our wallet c) The elimination of the EU regulatory controls that have turned our Agricultural Sector into the Museum of Farming, allowing for the introduction of GM crops, with more land available for wildlife/amenity. d) The ability of the country to immediately negotiate FTA's with the rest of the world. e) Control of free movement f) As far as Nancy Pelosi and her Irish voters, I think you overestimate her and their influence in the US. As soon as she got involved in Brexit, the Continuity IRA let off bombs in Northern Ireland, so I think she'll be keeping her comments to herself in future." a) The fiscal benefits from the extra economic activity arising from being in the Single Market are around £20bn a year. This is significantly more than the £10bn or so that we pay now. There is no Brexit dividend, far from it. b) No free trade deal with the EU will ever come close to replacing the Single Market and certainly wouldn't come without a cost. 'Free Trade Deals' are a fixation with some people who don't understand the basics of international trade. A few percent here or there is insignificant when compared qwith the costs of doiing business. c) Personally I am not in favour of GM crops. From what I have read our livestock industries are going to be decimated without their main markets. d) We already benefit from over 60 FTAs courtesy of our membership of the EU. These will be cancelled when we leave. It is unlikely that we shall be able to obtain terms as favourable as the EU because we don't have the same 'clout'. e) I agree that immigration needs to be brought under control but unfortunately the UK has never been interested in doing so. The means exist at the moment but have never been implemented. Any such controls must surely involve ID cards and whilst I personally have nothing against them there is widespread opposition. The first thing May did on becoming Home Secretary was to cancel the scheme. Immigration from the REst of the World continues apace... f) The Irish-American lobby in the US is very powerful at over 30m people. It is not to be underestimated. Once again, thanks for at least outlining some reasons as top why you think that leaving the EU would bring some benefits. Personally I can only see good things from our membership with no downside and for the reasons I have given I cannot dee any opportunities. Certainly nothing over and above those that I have already.

I'm a businessman too. There are no upsides to Brexit. If there were I'm sure we would have heard of them over the last three years. In case I have missed any perhaps you could list one or two now. In your own words mind, not some vague link. I have been asking this same question for years and I have yet to see an answer.

They also voted against a 'no deal'. Or does that vote not carry as much weight as the others?

That’ll do. Draw is tomorrow night. The next round is week beginning 23rd September.

One isolated fan doesn’t represent them all but sometimes it takes an outsider to make you appreciate what you have.

At the game I admit that I had tunnel vision and didn’t see Redmond until the last moment.

Yes, probably worth paying the extra and going via Clapham Junction.