Micky

Unfazed by the VvD situation, excellent. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

Yeah - totally agree - it was the point that I wanted to make and then didn't make all....! We saw pretty much the whole squad shoe horned into different teams at different points in the game. Have to say though - that none of those teams looked very good. I just hope you're right, and when we have our best 11 collectively, we look much better than Wednesday. Sorry - was just so hacked off with the sum of the parts of the day - drive - weather - sons first game - result - bloody drive home..!

We wont see a very different team, but hopefully we will see a very different outcome. Did an 8 hour round journey to see that and believe me it wasn't pretty. It was also my sons first game at SMS..!! I have told him that things can only get better - we are going on Saturday - I'm dreading it. They might have been decent, but we were woeful pretty much all over the park. I'm not convinced that Austin is 'all that', I know he's a good instinctive finisher, but we just don't get the ball into those areas enough to make the chances for him, and he's never going to be one to thrash one in from 30 yards or so. We were lightweight in midfield, constantly gave the ball away and rarely look forward. At the back - shocking - Bednarak and Pied scared the living daylights out of me. In terms of style - it looked like no change to me - we might have had our share of the ball, but we rarely got it into the box, never mind look like scoring. We need major improvement over the course of the next week.

They are not incentives at this point as they had no right talking to the player. They are bribes.

Damn, there goes our best chance of a trophy this season...! Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

So this happened last week. Last week, and despite him 'talking to everybody, and telling them he's off to Chelsea', this is the first we've heard about it. And here's me thinking the ITK's on this board had all the bases covered. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

Thanks, being nearly sixty, such terms can be confusing, no bad thing when you are being insulted though. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

I think Les had done a great job over the last five or six years. What's a 'mouth breather'? Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

It never has been our boards fault, they are managing a very difficult situation very well. Sent from my HTC One M8s using Tapatalk

It had better be good - I have just ordered it on the strength of this thread...!

Surely it would just be easier to post the link here reggae. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

Thank you.

As somebody with no idea what betting odds mean - is that good or bad...???

Unsurprising really - it was always likely to be the outcome of this whole sorry affair. The surprising outcome would've been if VvD was still with us at the start of the season - so I was expecting this result. Having said that, I don't understand the need for any player to have a contract of employment, they had just as well all be free agents and tout themselves whenever they want. The contract is no security for the club, so what's the point. VvD has essentially gone and applied for another job, while under contract, got the job and then pretty much refused to do his job until he is allowed to leave. It appears that he has broken no rules, and if he has, nobody is particularly bothered, so why the contract. Unlike others, I don't blame Les / the board - the player and others from another club have acted like complete cvnts and contrived the move. Les has just got to try to clean up the mess and get the best possible outcome for the club - it's a difficult position for him. VvD and Liverpool though - really, horrible, smelly piece of business - the worst.

That's all very true and I doubt many on here will counter it. The issue here is primarily about how he / his advisers are going about engineering the move, who he wants to move to, and how they have approached him before the club. There is a right way to get a transfer and there is a wrong way.

Exactly, that coupled with the fact that Liverpool's last official stance was that they had 'ended all interest in the player'. It's not pretty, but as I see it, we hold all the card's - nobody has yet put in an official bid for him. Personally, I hope that somebody from the Premier League is monitoring this situation quite closely, because at the end of the day if he ends up a Liverpool, it paves the way for under contract players to just deal freely with other clubs, organise their own transfers and then strike if the holding club refuse to co-operate.

Brilliant - that wound a few bin dippers up. But, when you actually consider what he's said - it's pretty much spot on really. Liverpool are a club who are pointing at passed glories and actually haven't won too much recently. VvD could do an awful lot better, so the article was correct really.

So how does that work, Liverpool have done nothing, and neither has the player in terms of putting in a transfer request. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

This. The word 'invest' is overused and largely misunderstood by a lot of people. Think of it from your point of view - if you invest, what do you want back? In short, all investors want more out than they originally put in. Not many clubs have owner who are willing (or able for that matter) to bank roll them, they have to balance the books. We are lucking in that we have found prudent and competent owners who run and manage the club properly.

Totally agree, and from his point of view they have to be his best options of winning stuff. Don't get at all why so keen to go to Liverpool. Perhaps they don't rate him at 70 and think they can get him cheaper, are we willing to lower our sights...? Who knows? Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

Off to Chelsea then... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/40708853

Exactly. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk

More, more, more...!!!

Very fair and very balanced - about the way I see it.

Are you sure, I'm constantly reminded by people on here that Kat's pockets are bulging, that's Les's brief - get me more money to stuff into my already bulging pockets - stuff the club.