Micky

Oh right, thanks. So your opinion of me is formed totally on what you have read here, on an internet forum. Your opinion is relevant and valid. Those people who don't care about the sentences handed down to these hooligans, how do you think thier opinions were formed?

Sorry, please explain. Do we know each other?

Actually I think that most of the posters do recognise this point, but the fact of the matter is, we don't care. The punishment may indeed seem disproportionate to the crime when viewed alongside 'the norm', but if this acts as any sort of a deterrent to future perpetrators, then I welcome such a stance for all crime. Yes the police could have done things differently, perhaps if you want to know why they didn't, a polite letter to Hampshire Chief Constable might unearth a more informed reason than the speculation contained here.

I take it you are the 'Forum Stalker', do you need help? Your persistent harrassing of TDD is more than a little tedious to read over multiple threads. If you have a problem with him, why not PM him and try and sort it out as opposed to hi-jacking 3 threads with the sole purpose of baiting him. Are you yoof, just looking for a bundle - if so - it's after midnight and you probably have school in the morning.

What's Facebook?

Sorry, but this made me laugh - do you honestly believe any of what you wrote...?

That made me LOL - I like your style sir, very good (for a skate...!).

'kinell TDD, nothing like stating the bleeding obvious. They have been a pile of shyte upto now (and I include the USA game in that too), now they have one game to play in order to bail thier sorry asses out. I actually hope they do play a blinder and then go on to do well in the rest of the tournament. That said - if they crash and burn on wednesday - then I think it's time that English football took a long hard look in the mirror to see wtf is going wrong...

Ahhh so you agree - they are responsible and they do deserve to be punished - we stand together then. The bottom line is we are all solely responsible for our own actions. Most chose not to get involved - some did and now have to pay the price. The fact that Stu may think that the punishment does not fit the crime or that the old bill are also somehow to blame is neither here nor there. Once again - no 'rhetoric' as you put it - simple common sence - do I want to get nicked ? Nah - I'll p iss off home then. It aint rocket science, and if would have saved many of them a whole heap of trouble now. Boring day at the office - yep, shure was, s hagshyte on tv too, so I f ucked off to TSW - hope you enjoyed the common sense...!

I have no understanding of any of it mate - I'm simply applying a common sence approach to the story. I don't know any of the facts. It just strikes me that 30,000 people left the ground safely and sensibly, a bit like I do every game I go to. And then there were the others - errr the ones who didn't make it, because the police ****ed it all up, caught up in the heat of the moment, somebody threw a coin and some poor guy had 30 grands worth of damage done to his business. Nobodies fault though - nobody shouldering any responsibility - it wasn't me guv - honest...! Nope - I simply cannot grasp the concept that you talk about - as I say, after nearly 40 years of going to matches, and being involved in some of the worst civilian riot situations during that time - I still don't get the concept that nobody was responsible. Please feel free - enlighten me.

Stu, no I can't , I was referring to Sour Mashes comment below, which tbh I find somewhat bemusing. All of that said I really can't get too upset about these guys getting done. You above all must aprreciate the good old addage of 'if you cant do the time etc etc'. It is no different here. Let's be honest, as others have stated they could have just left SMS and gone on home - nobody forced them to get involved in this situation. As for the damage, it could be argued that it would not have happened if they had not congregated on what was somebodies private premises. Had it been my business I'd be pretty p issed off at them as well. Whether they did, or did not contribute to the damage, I'm not particularly bothered mate - they got themselves into that situation and they deserve what comes thier way. I agree the police could have handled the situation somewhat differently, however you take responsibility for yourself when you reach the age of consent - these were grown men making poor decissions at the end of the day.

Errrr what...? I'm totally lost now. So 12 football fans got 13 years between them for 'throwing a coin' which caused k's of £'s worth of damage....! This I have to see - is it on youtube anywhere...???

Crime and time, ryhme - it really is that simple...!

That is exactly the reason, that under no circumstances, do I ever drive around my kitchen....!

I stand corrected Dav - thanks for the update. Still bizarre why we are whinging about it - don't like it, don't buy it.

Thanks for that - so all in all a pretty volatile character then. Would be quite interesting if he was in the current French squad after the recent goings on...!

So in essence, this thread is speculation that NC might reintroduce a Membership Scheme. This unsubstantiated speculation is then embellished with more speculatory 'shots in the dark' as to what said Membership charges and terms & conditions might be. I take it that this Membership will also be compulsery too. You just gotta love the close season, dontcha...???

Eric Cantona never played in a WC....??? 'uck me, I never knew that...! Why not?

Emile Heskey, World Cup Winner..... enough said...????

Riiighhhhtttt. So what we are saying here is that 60 odd years ago PFC had bigger crowds than us. Thats a really worrying 'trend'.....! FFS.

Hate to say it but I totally agree with this. The premier league is very, very well marketed - hence it draws both millions on viewers and millions of pounds. That said, it breeds total arrogance and indifference to the 'real world'. Just look at Rooneys remarks the other day, yes he apologised (probably under orders from the FA), but it is indicative of how footballers actually see fans. We may have the 'best league in the world' - but it is that purely because of the money that it pays to the stars and good marketing. Unfortunately English football players, when compared to those in the rest of the world, are not very good. Count the number of foreign players that are playing in England, then count the number of English players that have been invited to play in any other league in the world. Why does nobody want English players in their country, league, squad or team? Perhaps it's time to face facts that we just aint really that good.

No, Nickh continually maintained that you had got away with it, not that you would die...! Evidently, you feel quite smug about the situation, you are very welcome to your 'club'.

Well Phil, you had a much more enjoyable and productive night than the rest of us did. Karaoke = wannabe pop stars, 'Rooney, Heskey, Lampard et el' = wannabe footballers. We're doooomed I tell ya.....

Irrespective of opinion that is posted here (whether it be 'expert' or just purely specualtory), the fact remains that your club is, and has been for some time, a shambolic mess. You have ridden this wave on the good nature of those that were owed money. Local businesses and charities were ripped off in order that they club could enjoy some modicum of success. If you are comfortable with the fact that your club sees fit to rip off it's creditors to the point of going int administration for what, the second time in a decade, then you are a very worthy fan. Where will you be in 8, 9 or 10 years from now? Still cheating...?

Errrr that is precisely the problem - if we can't mix it with these guys can you imagine the mullering we'd get from the form teams...!