Micky

He's lost it, him and Marcus need to go, and go now. Now, where's that man from Pinnacle and Mlt....???

They have done it for years, people may well argue that the Bundesliga is nowhere near as good as the Premiership. I would agree that perhaps it does not quite come up to standard of some premiership games, but the gulf is not as wide as some people would suggest. The same said league is also now the most profitable league in the world as well, and it seems to be doing their National team absolutely no harm whatsoever. The bottom line is we are too far up our own asses and don't realise that English players are not the 'be all and end all' that many would like to make out. Just look at our famous 5 -1 defeat of the Germans before the 2002 WC, what a farce that was. Within 2 days, we had the 5 - 1 banners, the t shirts, the dvds were all on sale - Super England, beat the Germans 5 - 1. Same said tournament, we went out in the quarter finals - the Germans, ohhh they got to the final. Never mind vuvuzellas (or whatever they are called) - we are too good at blowing our own trumpet - but not delivering - we could learn an awful lot from both German domestic and National football.

I thought that the FA's plan was to 'groom' Stuart Pearce for the full England Managers job. As I understood it - this is why he shadows Capello at all of the England matches, or did I get that completely wrong as well...? Saints connections - it will probably be 'arry (so long as he manages to sweet talk the judge and maintain his freedom!). Failing that, just to wind up 19c - I say get Lawrie out of retirement and let's revert to some 'old school' ways, this pampered lot of Prima Donnas need a good taste of reality coupled with a good kick up the arse - Lawrie macs the man..!

Thanks Bob have just changed the editor to enhanced, am typing like the clappers and it appears to be keeping up with me...! For now, problem solved - thanks for your help mate - appreciate it.

I actually don't like the new forum either. I don't know what it's like for other posters but my text entry is literally 4 or 5* words behind every time I type - which frankly is pants. On the up side for you lot, though, all this means is that I probably wont post so much...! I also don't like the banner, or the new colour scheme either - so for me it's a backward step. All of that said, if you look around the sight it is so much more than just a forum (*I was 15 words in front then...!), and offers podcasts, blogs a prediction league and tons more beside. No I hate the look of it, but I would actually probably be prepared to pay more to use it. Good VFM as far as I am concerned - thanks to the guys for giving up their time to 'make it so'.

I would love to rate the players but it is hardly worth the effort - nobody would achieve over 3, we were that bad over the whole of the tounament.

Absolutely horrendous display. If you are a professional footballer and can't 'get up' for a world cup match against our fiercest rivals, then you shouldn't be wearing the jersey. We appear to have lots of players who can (and do) 'talk the talk' to the media leading up to games, but very few who can actually back it by 'walking the walk'. If an under 14's team had given such a display I would have ripped into them for thier naivety and lack of basic skills - this was our National Team FFS. It got to the point where it was so bad it was comical, absolutely hilairious. I have never seen such inept passing, tackling, shooting or management all rolled into one game. WTF was Wayne Rooney doing - he couldn't trap a bag of cement, was slow uninterested and generally couldn't give a toss - and he has the audacity to slag the fans. Over the course of the tournament he has to be our worst player - shyte. 4 - 1 down, needing a goal scoring miracle to descend, and Fabio turns to none other than that prolific striker Mr Emile Heskey. Please somebody, remind me of his stats, how many and when was the last time he scored a single goal for his country let alone 3? I used to be teatotal - I'm off to buy a bottle of scotch - that was embarrassingly painful. Edit: Heskeys England stats, not good reading when you are lookin for goals! National team Season Apps Goals England 1998–99 2 0 1999–2000 7 1 2000–01 7 1 2001–02 13 2 2002–03 5 1 2003–04 9 0 2007–08 2 0 2008–09 8 2 2009–10 9 0 Total 62 7

What Alpine said - at least thier red and white shirts were sweat soiled. Our Prima Donnas need a good old kick up the jacksie - to a man, we were friggin woeful from start to finish in this competition. Embarrassed to be an Englishman, and I have to visit Germany for two weeks next week - f u k i n great...!

Even if he had spent months and months telling us that we should have goal line technology, Adrian Durham would still be a grade 'a' c*ck.

Oh right, thanks. So your opinion of me is formed totally on what you have read here, on an internet forum. Your opinion is relevant and valid. Those people who don't care about the sentences handed down to these hooligans, how do you think thier opinions were formed?

Sorry, please explain. Do we know each other?

Actually I think that most of the posters do recognise this point, but the fact of the matter is, we don't care. The punishment may indeed seem disproportionate to the crime when viewed alongside 'the norm', but if this acts as any sort of a deterrent to future perpetrators, then I welcome such a stance for all crime. Yes the police could have done things differently, perhaps if you want to know why they didn't, a polite letter to Hampshire Chief Constable might unearth a more informed reason than the speculation contained here.

I take it you are the 'Forum Stalker', do you need help? Your persistent harrassing of TDD is more than a little tedious to read over multiple threads. If you have a problem with him, why not PM him and try and sort it out as opposed to hi-jacking 3 threads with the sole purpose of baiting him. Are you yoof, just looking for a bundle - if so - it's after midnight and you probably have school in the morning.

What's Facebook?

Sorry, but this made me laugh - do you honestly believe any of what you wrote...?

That made me LOL - I like your style sir, very good (for a skate...!).

'kinell TDD, nothing like stating the bleeding obvious. They have been a pile of shyte upto now (and I include the USA game in that too), now they have one game to play in order to bail thier sorry asses out. I actually hope they do play a blinder and then go on to do well in the rest of the tournament. That said - if they crash and burn on wednesday - then I think it's time that English football took a long hard look in the mirror to see wtf is going wrong...

Ahhh so you agree - they are responsible and they do deserve to be punished - we stand together then. The bottom line is we are all solely responsible for our own actions. Most chose not to get involved - some did and now have to pay the price. The fact that Stu may think that the punishment does not fit the crime or that the old bill are also somehow to blame is neither here nor there. Once again - no 'rhetoric' as you put it - simple common sence - do I want to get nicked ? Nah - I'll p iss off home then. It aint rocket science, and if would have saved many of them a whole heap of trouble now. Boring day at the office - yep, shure was, s hagshyte on tv too, so I f ucked off to TSW - hope you enjoyed the common sense...!

I have no understanding of any of it mate - I'm simply applying a common sence approach to the story. I don't know any of the facts. It just strikes me that 30,000 people left the ground safely and sensibly, a bit like I do every game I go to. And then there were the others - errr the ones who didn't make it, because the police ****ed it all up, caught up in the heat of the moment, somebody threw a coin and some poor guy had 30 grands worth of damage done to his business. Nobodies fault though - nobody shouldering any responsibility - it wasn't me guv - honest...! Nope - I simply cannot grasp the concept that you talk about - as I say, after nearly 40 years of going to matches, and being involved in some of the worst civilian riot situations during that time - I still don't get the concept that nobody was responsible. Please feel free - enlighten me.

Stu, no I can't , I was referring to Sour Mashes comment below, which tbh I find somewhat bemusing. All of that said I really can't get too upset about these guys getting done. You above all must aprreciate the good old addage of 'if you cant do the time etc etc'. It is no different here. Let's be honest, as others have stated they could have just left SMS and gone on home - nobody forced them to get involved in this situation. As for the damage, it could be argued that it would not have happened if they had not congregated on what was somebodies private premises. Had it been my business I'd be pretty p issed off at them as well. Whether they did, or did not contribute to the damage, I'm not particularly bothered mate - they got themselves into that situation and they deserve what comes thier way. I agree the police could have handled the situation somewhat differently, however you take responsibility for yourself when you reach the age of consent - these were grown men making poor decissions at the end of the day.

Errrr what...? I'm totally lost now. So 12 football fans got 13 years between them for 'throwing a coin' which caused k's of £'s worth of damage....! This I have to see - is it on youtube anywhere...???

Crime and time, ryhme - it really is that simple...!

That is exactly the reason, that under no circumstances, do I ever drive around my kitchen....!

I stand corrected Dav - thanks for the update. Still bizarre why we are whinging about it - don't like it, don't buy it.

Thanks for that - so all in all a pretty volatile character then. Would be quite interesting if he was in the current French squad after the recent goings on...!