Greedyfly

Then you both enjoy mediocre football because I, and others I've spoken to, watched a **** affair on MNF between two ****e sides. Turkish noted above about being 'all over' Milan at the San Siro; that is what I would call 'being all over someone', not Redmond running into blind alleys, Moi still looking **** and Long being Long. Bottom line is we have a ****e manager, a ****e squad of players and little hope of playing entertaining football this season (and maybe scraping the odd win) with those two situations as they are. The problem is that those situations are also born out of poor management from the top, all the way down.

He's changed his tune, has he?

Three different people, who don't support Saints, sat and watched that game. Most remarked that we had slightly more class on the ball in the first half and that Brighton were making it easy for us by sitting off. Not one would agree that it was high quality football where we were some reincarnation of 1970 Brazil. We were better, we weren't however, impressive or all over them. I've watched it once and the highlights. Maybe you should strain yourself and do the same and not from your pitch view seat. Like I said, some people in here are entertained by mediocre football and 'effort'. Usually those who think 0 goals and assists is reasonable return from Redmond.

Can't score with no shots on target. So it's you chatting ****. But do carry on getting carried away with sub standard football.

Ahhh it is 'live hype', I get it now. Well with the benefit of replays, being able to see more of the game, rewind stuff and you know, stats, we weren't. However, if by 'all over them' you mean knocking it around ineffectually without actually challenging their goalkeeper, then yes. We were all over them.

Don't agree. Watching from home we knocked the ball about in front of them because they weren't stepping up. We defo weren't all over them or creating them any problems

Yeah sounds about right for this place. Effort and work rate is a counter for a lack of any other attribute.

Might have been sarcastic in my delivery but the facts are he contributes the sum of **** all. Team wise, shambolic performance but expected when you only have shambolic players at your disposal. Single digits for goals and assists combined last season, going the same way for Redmond again this. Long, well he's always been a ****ing disaster outside of the Championship but he runs a lot so people like him. So anyone who's happy that we're still stuck with them both as first team players has a better drug dealer than I do. Relegation battle again with drab, boring, pedestrian football.

Yes, literally basking in the glow of his zero goals, zero PL assists. He's as ineffective as Long and those impressed by him are those that believe effort is all you need as a premier league footballer.

We weren't all over them at all. Can only assume people saying that got caught up in the live hype. We were better, I agree. We were not all over them and it took one wonder strike to come close to breaking the deadlock. As always lots of running and possession and no end product. We're boring and in effective. Horrible combination.

Gotta disagree. Brighton simply stepped up 10 yards to stop us playing out from the back. Both teams were lethargic but we wanted it a bit more in the first half, them the second. Without Ing's pen we lose that game.

He's not even that ****ing fancy either.

I ****ing hope not.

This is interesting to read though, so thanks for offering some genuine insight.

And from people I've spoken to, and in the media. Seems a real mixed bag. Then I come on this thread and we're discussing some ****e songs so that was helpful.

Great, thanks. He sounds good.

How did he play on Saturday, I've read wildly conflicting views.

Not started well at all. He was very impressive in the champions league so I'm hoping it's an adaptive thing, but I'm not that hopeful based on evidence so far. He isn't the pace man we desperately needed (that's not his fault though) and the lack of speed throughout the team is pretty damaging. It makes us ridiculously one dimensional.

Good to see our history with creative players continues to be utterly dour. Elyounoussi sounds ****ing useless.

Awesome, making assumptions off of a third party account based on 27 mins of play in his first game for a club he moved to a day earlier. Also saying 'it's early days' isn't a get out clause, you simply shouldn't have mentioned it. Managers are often wrong by the way which is presumably why Shane Long (2 goals in 30 appearances last season) and 1 goal and 3 assists Redmond keep getting picked, they aren't infallible... Which essentially underlines my point. With **** like that still getting picked week in and out, there's littler harm changing it up with a youngster instead when his assist rate is basically the same. However a loan seems sensible to get him more game time. Again, the Newcastle game he was hardly going to swing the game in our favour, I doubt anyone would have it was that dour and with 10 other players hardly pulling in the same direction a 20 year old with no experience is unlikely to have been the catalyst for change. I hope he does well for Reading but it's a tough league. It's also not a sole barometer for whether a player is any good or not

Then lets not pretend he was culpable for the Newcastle disaster when he had zero support from senior members of the team, you can't have it both ways. I am not against his loan and I am not defending him as one of our own (I do think he's a decent player though) as already stated but lets not pretend he's been afforded the same opportunities as say Redmond, Long and friends who have woefully under-performed the last two seasons yet still get a shot at the first team with no questions asked.

He came on against Liverpool and finished off the game with direct running and a good assist, he started against Everton (I think) and provided an assist and was very good until subbed off. We can all site various situations. Sub appearances where he gets 10 mins here, 15 mins there don't do anything. The Newcastle game was dreadful from all involved so not getting the ball out wide to our young prospect is hardly his fault. The facts are his assist record vs games played (given total minutes) is what you'd expect from a top half prem winger. 2 assists 4 games.

We're already deficient in that area. We are now relying on the 'craft' of Redmond (despite his ok start) and Moi being a fantastic bargain. We have no pace and we are painfully pedestrian, yet we didn't address this in the summer.

I mean he hasn't really has he? He's played a total of 4 full games in 2 seasons and in those 4 and a bit games he has two assists. One which put us in the final of the League Cup and one on his debut, so he's basically doing the job of an average winger. Don't get me wrong, I think a loan was actually a good option for him if Hughes isn't going to play him, but he's not had the opportunity either those assists should have afforded him especially when you consider our other wingers have hardly stepped up in the last two years.

When exactly? One 10 goal season. He's bog average and not a patch on Austin. Also he doesn't hold the ball up well either.