hypochondriac

There were moments in the first half where Leicester wide players were just stood on their own with no full backs anywhere near them. I don't think the full backs have any idea what they are supposed to be doing. We've seen it with the amount of crosses that come into our box and with the lack of closing down. Similarly we had Edozie doing defensive work again, in front of the defense for one of the goals. I don't think a number of players know where they should be when we are defending which is what us causing all these problems. KWP is an excellent player yet he looks appaling. It has to be the coaching.

I'll be honest I thought he wasnt bad tonight. With everything else going to shit around him I thought he comes out with some credit.

But we know he's not terrible at all. It's obviously these tactics and the way it's played. Both him and Manning look like two of our worst players. It's not a coincidence.

I think some of our attacking play is nice enough. I can't see what shape we're supposed to be in when we are defending though. We have spells in games where we dominate and look the superior team but it doesn't last and we make terrible choices that lead to numerous chances and goals for the opposition.

That's the first time this season that I completely disagree with him and think he sounds like a loony. We weren't watching the same game if he thinks that.

I don't think saints fans are asking for much. Just a competitive team, a bit of entertainment and some grit and determination. What we saw today and in the last game was a total mess and is a result of us trying to reinvent the wheel and asking perfectly decent players for this level to do things they aren't comfortable with in the name of some ideology. I just want to be competitive in football games and blow the philosophy. I never saw us with any of this rubbish the last time we won promotion.

He was absolutely terrible today and we know he's been consistently good for us. He's confused and the tactics mean he doesn't know what he's doing. Either the communication is wrong or the system has meant it isn't clear what is going on.

I get that this style may take time to implement but ffs why make it way more difficult for yourself than you have to? Just go back to basics, have a bit of the tippy tappy passing but why on earth set up in defence to leave us entirely open on the break? OK so we didn't help ourselves tonight with individual errors that led to goals, but if you lose to a couple of mistakes you can almost take that. We just make it so easy for the opposition to run at us and invite pressure.

I don't buy that the players aren't good enough. It's entirely the tactics, it's confused, error strewn and amateurish.

I said today that this could be a harbinger of things to come. Ominous that we don't seem to have done anything differently. We could have had another goal or two but they could have had another four.

The tactics are ridiculous. Can Martin make some fundamental changes as we absolutely have enough players to do well in this league. If he can't then this will keep happening until he gets sacked.

We've got a half decent squad. We're just playing suicidal football.

Surely he won't play Holgate? That would be mental.

I'm guessing it's Charles and Bednarek at the back unless Jan doesn't make it and then it's Bellis.

Firstly that's not quite the same thing is it when it's the local paper struggling to survive. The Daily Echo isn't the Athletic. Secondly, by posting it on here you're making this forum liable which imo is a shitty thing to do.

I think it's OK to find ways to read it, but it's a bit much to copy and paste it on here.

Golden thread. @Saint_clarkdid Mike osman's brother ever sue you?

Martin has said all season and preseason that the fans needed to stick with it because we would have bad days.

It's one game and much too early to say, particularly as most of the players didn't start the game.

But also cause for hope that this was hopefully a one off.

Charles THB Adams Fraser Ameyew All players who have played as well or better than players in the starting lineup yesterday. Add in Stewart when fit and that's more than half a team different from yesterday's one.

They weren't in league one last season.

We can nitpick over individual goals or saves but taken together in its entirety he just isn't a good enough keeper. Nothing we can do now but I just wish we had been a bit more ruthless.

He's just a crap keeper. You very rarely see him make saves that he isn't supposed to make and on occasion he will fail to make saves that he should make. He doesn't inspire confidence, he isn't a leader or an organiser he's just not good enough.

He played at RB for West Brom. I never supported him playing at CB.