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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not complaining about the club trying, I'm complaining about when we release stuff to the media before anything has actually happened - and often before we get the outcome that we don't want.

Belief in God in isolation does not make someone a Christian though. It's what confused soggy over the whole Katie Hopkins debacle.

We clearly don't. The Clyne and Toby articles especially were plants to the journalists we usually leak stuff to. It's more likely than not that we have released this information.

Oh I have no problem with us trying, I just wish we would keep it out of the papers unless we are very confident of a positive outcome.

Tbf I'm not sure it's what someone shouts that determines what religion they are from. I could shout "Coldplay are incredible" before kicking my neighbour to death but it doesn't mean I like them.

I retract what I said earlier. Why didn't you tell me you had the photographic proof Tim?

I hate all this newspaper stuff. The same thing happened when we sold Clyne and lost Toby etc. Part of me thinks we do it to try and show that we tried when they leave.

Eh? I said they weren't the same. I'm confused are you agreeing with me here? I wasn't even talking to you.

Hitler was not a Christian.

There won't be any statistics on this matter so it's a matter of opinion where we will inevitably disagree. It is worth bearing in mind though that many of the Nazi atrocities were unknown at the time and I expect that had they been, Nazi sympathisers would have been much lower. That's certainly the case now at any rate.

And you would find a lot of sympathy for the view that he is not a Christian- certainly some of his actions would call that into question. I definitely don't think Bush and Hitler were the same though - at the very least as far as I'm aware, Bush's views are in no way as overtly counter to Christian teaching as Hitlers. You make a fair point though and there are definite shades of grey as far as Bush is concerned. Not sure what that has to do with Hitler unequivocally not being a Christian though.

I was waiting for that and in some ways I agree. However I would caveat that response with the comment that a much higher percentage of the Islamic community would sympathise with Islamic extremists than the Christian community would with the actions of the Nazis. To my mind that makes it much more of a grey area. We also have to remember that there is tons of stuff where Hitler says what he believed was not compatible with Christianity. The same cannot be said of Islamic extremists.

To be honest I prefer your concise version.

Probably because his deeds and actions are pretty much the polar opposite of the teaching of Jesus Christ. I'm not in the mood for a theological discussion now (mlg best not pop up now) but regardless of anyone's views of Christianity, virtually anyone with even an iota of knowledge about that religion would agree that Hitler's actions were not those of a follower of Jesus. And yes before you start again, I'm aware that the old testament has loopy passages in but that still doesn't make Hitler a Christian. I wonder if we ran a poll of Christians asking if Hitler was an adherent to Christian teachings what percentage would agree with you? In soggy world you can just be something because you say you are. I'm going to be a Sikh tomorrow and then a Buddhist the next. Who are you to say I'm not? Maybe I'll be a concert pianist next Friday. You can't say I'm not so I am.

Who said anything about him believing he was a Christian? There's plenty of evidence to suggest he didn't believe that but even if he did, that clearly isn't what we were talking about. Of course you can believe yourself to be a Christian and commit atrocities but that doesn't make it true.

He's still going so we've got some of his speeches on one side, maybe I'll go with his hate speech in most of Mein kampf? Or the torture of twins? Or maybe just being the leader of the nation that committed the worst atrocities of modern times? Of course that is all trumped by some speeches where he said he was a Christian. this is fantastic.

Nonsense Charlie. You're forgetting about the belt buckles and the online articles and Hitler's aunt went to church that one time.

I've told you about that obsession before. We're concentrating on soggy and his nazi posts this evening. TwoPints showed a bit of humanity earlier, let's not spoil things by riling him up again.

Careful, he'll be claiming your the same person next or pretending we've been having secret meeting outside of this thread in order to coordinate our attacks!

Ah we were so close! I thought there was a chance of a cheerful parting of the ways but you couldn't resist one more patronising dose of smug. Shame.

It's made my night. It's in loads of articles on the Internet dont you know. Maybe we should do a pros and cons list for if we think they are Christians. We've got the nazis were Christians on one side screaming about belt buckles and the Holocaust on the other. I know where my money is heading so far. Anyone else? Maybe some of them went to church, I'm going for slaughtering of the disabled next...

Katie Hopkins is relevant when discussing your lack of understanding about the Christian religion. In that respect she is incredibly relevant.

So in response to someone posting something along the lines of "there is a problem with extremism in Islam" you haven't come out with responses that include talking about the Nazis being Christians, talking about atrocities within other religions and calling people racist and reminding us that all Muslims are not terrorists? All whilst seemingly disagreeing with the statement. OK then...

Fair play. Just get soggy to show some humility and we are on to a winner!

There are plenty of articles refuting what you say (as well as actually knowing something about the Christian religion.) You do realise that just because it's in an article on the Internet it isn't necessarily true right? But yes the nazis must have been Christian because they had it on their belt buckles don't you know . For once Chapel end Charlie and I are in agreement- the nazis used the religion to further their war effort and your belief that Hitler was possibly a Christian after he rose to power is absolutely and utterly absurd. It's also totally irrelevant to the thread other than highlighting once more what mad ideas you have swirling in your brain so I hope we can move on with almost a forum consensus on this issue. Minus soggy of course.