Jimmy_D

They have certainly been discriminatory towards certain beliefs though.

Look, I know there's a line to tread here. It's obviously going to be discussed. But please, keep it to discussing THEIR actions, rather than any particular group they belong to's actions. Some posts were falling on the wrong side of that. That's the reason I'm replying like this instead of just issuing infractions, because I know it's a sensitive topic. Just try not to fall into 'Racist or Homophobic or Discriminatory remark' infraction territory.

These are the ones I'm particularly worried about. Bringing race, religion, or idealogy into these discussions is always dangerous ground.

Of course it's not just those two, but that in no way, shape or form justifies blaming this on a belief system.

You really think it's ok to imply that all Muslims are like those nutters? That is terrifying.

Oh for ****s sake. The best doctor my Gran ever had happened to be Muslim, that never made him do anything wrong. No belief system has a clean slate, ever heard of The Crusades? People that do this kind of crap will always find some justification for what they do. Religion, football, being looked at the wrong way, whatever. Their actions are at fault here. Not where they're from, their ethnic origin, or their beliefs. Any more posts along those lines will be infracted, they end here.

Looks like it was a soldier that was the victim according to the local MP there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10072222/Teenage-prospect-Luke-Shaw-to-stay-at-Southampton-despite-interest-from-Chelsea.html Telegraph reporting that Shaw himself has indicated he wants to stay Then again, story is from just now, but sounds like they're just reporting on what he said a few weeks ago.

That last goal to take him as joint top English goalscorer, and the fact you can compare his style of play to Carroll's, means he has the tiniest little chance, but I doubt it.

Thanks for that, didn't know they'd found that with brain cells. I guess that knocks me squarely back into 'I don't know' from leaning towards there being something more.

Read it again. I'm not saying that there is a God. I don't know. I'm saying that not knowing doesn't necessarily mean an absence of God.

But the fact that you have to ask who built the house doesn't mean that no-one did. I'm not trying to say that God exists, just pointing out that having to ask the question of whether he exists doesn't prove that there is no God.

Do you know who built the house you live in?

I take a fairly agnostic view, I don't see any conclusive proof either way that God does or doesn't exist, and so accept that either is possible, although having seen opinions shift just in the time I've been alive, I personally don't think any human view of God handed down over thousands of years has any hope of being accurate. I do believe that there's more to the human soul than just this life though, for a few reasons. There's something different about this body, from my own point of view. Something that means I'm controlling it, making choices, and generally 'playing dice with the universe.' (Or at least, I have the illusion of that.) Not any other body, just this one, something different that makes this one 'me.' My consciousness apparently came into existence from nothing, which doesn't sit right with me from a logical point of view. Every cell in my body, over the last ten years, will have been replaced. In essence, my consciousness has been slowly transferred from one body into a completely different one, meaning it's not tied to my brain or body. None of that is conclusive of course, but it does lean me towards there being something more than this life. (With the added benefit that, if I'm wrong, I'm not going to be worrying about it.)

I don't think he's been deployed as a main striker for quite a while now.

Heh, and now the counter-rumours are starting. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/469064/20130520/chelsea-transfer-news-luke-shaw-southampton-pochettino.htm

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?44984-Chaplow

Oh no... I just can't imagine. RIP

He has a track record of attacking Cortese and Saints for some strange reason.

It's the bare plastic seats that really reflect the sound well.

It's you that's failing to understand. Your assertion that "all the knockers were wrong" if we don't finish tenth is what's getting people's backs up. They're not wrong to think that we might finish tenth, just as you're not wrong to think we won't. Whichever way it goes, right now both outcomes are possible. It's the insistence that one view is right and one is wrong, and the outcome means that there's a winner to the debate that causes almost all the bad feeling on here.

You'll probably be right about us not finishing tenth. Since we're going into the last game with a chance of finishing tenth though, I don't think it was right to be so dismissive of our chances of finishing tenth. Especially with your sneering tone and implications that anyone that thought we had a chance of finishing tenth was an idiot.

My take on it is that Cortese has promised Tino the backing and has the vision to take Saints to regular European football, and Tino's bought into that (ie. the expected signings are part of that) Cortese leaving would throw those promises and vision out of the window, so Tino wouldn't be part of a vision any more. However, by publicly saying that, it sounded to me as if he was just answering the question as given, but wasn't expecting it to actually come to him leaving.