Jimmy_D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630303 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22630304

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/10072222/Teenage-prospect-Luke-Shaw-to-stay-at-Southampton-despite-interest-from-Chelsea.html Telegraph reporting that Shaw himself has indicated he wants to stay Then again, story is from just now, but sounds like they're just reporting on what he said a few weeks ago.

That last goal to take him as joint top English goalscorer, and the fact you can compare his style of play to Carroll's, means he has the tiniest little chance, but I doubt it.

Thanks for that, didn't know they'd found that with brain cells. I guess that knocks me squarely back into 'I don't know' from leaning towards there being something more.

Read it again. I'm not saying that there is a God. I don't know. I'm saying that not knowing doesn't necessarily mean an absence of God.

But the fact that you have to ask who built the house doesn't mean that no-one did. I'm not trying to say that God exists, just pointing out that having to ask the question of whether he exists doesn't prove that there is no God.

Do you know who built the house you live in?

I take a fairly agnostic view, I don't see any conclusive proof either way that God does or doesn't exist, and so accept that either is possible, although having seen opinions shift just in the time I've been alive, I personally don't think any human view of God handed down over thousands of years has any hope of being accurate. I do believe that there's more to the human soul than just this life though, for a few reasons. There's something different about this body, from my own point of view. Something that means I'm controlling it, making choices, and generally 'playing dice with the universe.' (Or at least, I have the illusion of that.) Not any other body, just this one, something different that makes this one 'me.' My consciousness apparently came into existence from nothing, which doesn't sit right with me from a logical point of view. Every cell in my body, over the last ten years, will have been replaced. In essence, my consciousness has been slowly transferred from one body into a completely different one, meaning it's not tied to my brain or body. None of that is conclusive of course, but it does lean me towards there being something more than this life. (With the added benefit that, if I'm wrong, I'm not going to be worrying about it.)

I don't think he's been deployed as a main striker for quite a while now.

Heh, and now the counter-rumours are starting. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/469064/20130520/chelsea-transfer-news-luke-shaw-southampton-pochettino.htm

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?44984-Chaplow

Oh no... I just can't imagine. RIP

He has a track record of attacking Cortese and Saints for some strange reason.

It's the bare plastic seats that really reflect the sound well.

It's you that's failing to understand. Your assertion that "all the knockers were wrong" if we don't finish tenth is what's getting people's backs up. They're not wrong to think that we might finish tenth, just as you're not wrong to think we won't. Whichever way it goes, right now both outcomes are possible. It's the insistence that one view is right and one is wrong, and the outcome means that there's a winner to the debate that causes almost all the bad feeling on here.

You'll probably be right about us not finishing tenth. Since we're going into the last game with a chance of finishing tenth though, I don't think it was right to be so dismissive of our chances of finishing tenth. Especially with your sneering tone and implications that anyone that thought we had a chance of finishing tenth was an idiot.

My take on it is that Cortese has promised Tino the backing and has the vision to take Saints to regular European football, and Tino's bought into that (ie. the expected signings are part of that) Cortese leaving would throw those promises and vision out of the window, so Tino wouldn't be part of a vision any more. However, by publicly saying that, it sounded to me as if he was just answering the question as given, but wasn't expecting it to actually come to him leaving.

Can't see them finding a better keeper than Eastwood for nothing. Is reality finally starting to set in for them?

No, it includes speculation about next season's Saints kit after all.

Agreed.

In 2008, Pompey won the FA Cup. In 2009, they saw us drop to League One and have the -10 applied to leave us in our lowest position for generations while they survived in the Premier League. Portmouth's implosion is, uh, well documented, shall we say, elsewhere on this forum, and since then, they've dropped to the lowest tier of league football, had the name of their team dragged through the mud, and today lost out on a player to Fleetwood Town. In the same time, mostly thanks to Marcus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese, we've seen our team score four goals at Wembley in front of a record crowd, back to back promotions, and survival in the Premier League, beating each of last season's champions. It's perhaps the biggest and fastest swing in fortunes any two rivals have EVER seen. They must absolutely despise him for his part in it. I hope he'll be here for a long time yet, but even if he isn't, he's already been a part of more than I could have dared to hope for us a few years ago.

Unbeliveable acheivement for a defensive midfielder to get player of the season, especially with a talisman like Lambert in the side. He really does absolutely deserve it though, been brilliant this year.

Phil really wasn't joking about banning you was he?

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/euro-2013-calls-for-clyne-shaw-821123.aspx