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Sadoldgit beat me to it, but whilst 7m people may BUY the paper, most will only read anything that's larger than 24-point text or 36B.

They're short of their break even gate by a thousand or more each home match. The administrators are draining them at about £60k a month. The lawyers continue to chew through the money at a rate of knots. PPs will probably not even 'rest' in their account before going to football creditors. The rate of new gifts - sorry, pledges - coming in is clearly way short of the burn rate. And yet the further delay is supposed to be a GOOD thing?????!!!! Not enough face-palms...

10. I'm sure the previous test was a lot longer and more difficult?

I seem to recall there were some serious stability issues if fuel tanks were less than half (?) full.

Think this one deserves more of an airing: "Bad enough that it was set up and that they were heavily out-numbered. Braying old fellas with walking sticks? Brave of them. I bet they feel so proud. I take comfort in knowing that half their female populace get knobbed by servicemen from outside the area on a regular basis. They probably have a lot of bastard issues" Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=758025&page=4#ixzz2JHAsyqw3

So that explains your avatar. And here's another interesting tit-bit: http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/22/cannibalized-falklands-war-argentine-destroyer-sinking-in-puerto-belgrano

Jose and Pep (Cortese's lost patience already).

-10, surely?

Crabs, I believe this is the right place to air those nasty comments. Should this thread ever be published for a wider audience, those comments will bring context and perspective to the whole sorry saga!

OK, Signor Trousers. I've re-read your initial post and it looks like you want to avoid the riff-raff and crowds. With teenagers of those ages, it looks like you're going to be going during the school holidays, which may influence your choice. Most Brits with kids doing a first cruise choose P&O, because it's familiar and British. For that reason, I would avoid. I would suggest your choice is between Royal Caribbean and Celebrity (also owned by RC, but more 'premium'). You haven't said whether they're boys or girls, active or sedate? RC will appeal to boys more, Celebrity to the girls - lots of 'pampering' available. Most modern cruise ships have well-equipped Gyms as well. Departure point: Southampton is great, because your holiday starts on board within an hour of leaving your house. There's usually queues at the terminal, but they move very quickly. Downside(?) is that it takes a couple of sea-days getting to and from the Med. But this gives you time to explore the ship. Itinerary: Once you hit the Med, most days your at a different port, so your choice is to stay on the ship and enjoy the space (most go ashore) or choose organised excursions. You do feel a little like cattle at this point, but a good way to get an overview of a place that you've not visited before. Alternatively, just do your own thing ashore - just don't be late back. On-board: Food almost universally good, often excellent. Celebrity is big on fine dining and wines. There are additional fine-dining restaurants on board where an cover charge applies, otherwise food is all-inclusive of course. Drinks outside of the restaurants and all alcohol are additional charges. Accommodation: Cabins are obviously smaller than hotel rooms, but are well-appointed. Get a balcony for your own bit of private space, particularly if going somewhere like Venice. Entertainment: The glitzy musical shows aren't really my scene, but standards seem okay. There's always in-cabin telly or the casino! Don't be put off by the tales of Norovirus, either. Yes, it does occur, but it's almost always started by passengers bringing it on board and poor personal hygiene, i.e. wash hands, use gel etc. Give it a go, I think you'll enjoy it.

Too much sky and open air for you, Jamie?

Cruise Lines: Royal Caribbean - probably best choice if you've got teenagers in tow. Lively enough for the younger set, waverider, rock-climbing, etc. Celebrity Cruises - If you're into fine dining, relaxation and understated classy. P&O: Okay, very 'Brits abroad' but service not as good as Celebrity, plenty of activities, but perhaps a bit staid for youngsters. Cunard: Don't know them personally, but they seem a bit up themselves, still have two-tier classes, mebbe too posh for kids Princess: Fair middle-of-the-road line, bit of everything. Perhaps a bit 'American' and they seem to have lost their edge in the last couple of years. NCL: Don't know them personally, but they are a little further down the luxury scale. However, no formal dressing up required, so may appeal. Carnival: Don't run out of Europe, and are VERY American-orientated MSC: Italian. 'Nuff said. Costa: Do you REALLY want to consider them? Saga/Fred Olsen: very much for the older set, forget them if you've got teens, and NO, I haven't been on them

Was looking at this myself as I wanted to get better sound than the tinny little speakers on my panel TV, without going to a full surround sound set up. Still researching, but I think I'll probably get better value from a sound bar. Anyone else with other recommendations appreciated.

Basically, they were losing hand over fist, getting shot to pieces, convincing themselves they were doing much better than they actually were. All on Cemetery Ridge. This was swiftly followed by the burning of Atlanta and a final appearance at Appomattox Court House. Quite an analogy really.

So do we know if its the old olympic stadium (bit of a **** ground and not used since 2009 for football) or Espanyol's training facility?

X Box Media Centre. it's an OS hack.

Why? NA had already got us to the prem two years ahead of schedule and was likely to keep us there. If anything, the timing and method of the appointment seriously risks derailing our progress thus far.

Quite heartening really, as Lawrenson's predictions are rarely correct!! How's the 'tache Mark?

Seems his track record is not too dissimilar to WGS' at Saints. Didn't win anything, but got us to eighth and even fourth midway through his last season, punching above our weight. WGS did get us to a cup final as well. I remain to be convinced that he'll do better than NA could with the same resources. Oh and Hugh ("Its really great that premier league clubs are giving the opportunity to young progressive managers") - I thought that was what Nigel Adkins was?

Interesting response to Sarah PFC's common-sense 'Phoenix' approach, inferring that would be 'selling (their) soul'. Does the stupid bastard not realise that's what they've been doing for the past decade or so, and now the devil wants his dues??

Okay, now I'm really worried. Bringing in guys from p*mpey ffs!

But it's not is it? You rumoured this in your post yesterday afternoon. Agenda?

I know Nigel is too dignified to stoop so low, but I'd love to know what he had to say.

Really sad. Has Steve Corns gone as well?

Source?