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It's not worth my time as who the fuck wants to spend 4 days of their lives watching a TV trial?! I have a life, wife, job, and family. Give some thought to that question of yours mate, it'll open your eyes to the real world.

We've covered this. Reasonable fear of death is the legal test, not a hiding. I've asked you several times now what you heard in your apparent 4 days of watching that made you conclude that he feared that. I haven't had an answer yet, and to be honest, I'm not interested. We'll end up with you maintaining that he's innocent cos the jury said so and they're always right.

I think most are having a sensible conversation...and the sensible conclusion is that this fool is vile and would not be defended by right minded people. And no, that's not because that's what twitter says.

I've answered mate. You think this bloke is innocent, I don't. I have no interest in the answer, but ask yourself whether (using your own question) you "Would you have praised a guilty verdict that went against the law and the instructions given to the jury?" in the hypothetical scenario I laid out above. Back to Rittenhouse, you still haven't explained what you heard in 4 days of trial watching to satisfy yourself that he feared death. Rosenbaum threw a bag at him, and he knew he had no gun. I don't believe that he had any reasonable belief to fear death. You think otherwise. We'll agree to differ.

You asked me "Would you have praised a guilty verdict that went against the law and the instructions given to the jury?" It seems that you need to mull that one over yourself mate and relate it my rhetorical questions. It's either your position that what a jury decides / the judge directs must be the correct outcome, or it isn't.

OK. Let's take a hypothetical scenario. A burglar breaks into your house, takes a shit on your pillow, causes a bit of damage, steals your favourite stuff. He's seen, admits he was there, but at court some technicality means that the judge has to direct the jury to acquit (it happens, lots). Are you happy with that legally correct outcome? Or are you fucking livid by the obviously unjust outcome? Rhetorical questions because I can't be arsed, and it's obvious what the answers should be. Legally correct outcomes aren't always the just one. That's the reality.

There's nothing bizarre to that logic. Correct application of the law often leads to unjust outcomes. It is bizarre, and more than a tad naive, to believe otherwise.

The reaching for his gun was Huber and, as I said above, that was his best point. It does not relate to Rosenbaum. If you watched for 4 days, you'd know that. You'd also know that he conceded that he was aware that Rosenbaum had no gun - presumably he feared death by toothbrush or carrier bag?! Your constant "watch the trial" line is patronising and unhelpful - if you really watched for 4 days you could explain your rationale. Nobody has to watch a trial to know the facts of a case - I've been a practicing lawyer for over 25 years and every precedent case is reported, relied upon and discussed by people who weren't at or watching the case- the facts are laid out in writing and people sensibly debate and discuss them. Let's leave it mate. It was a shocking decision (even if correct by their fucked law) and I'll stick to my position that I find it shocking that anyone would defend the bloke.

Twitter! Not me mate. Nobody has to watch 4 days of a trial to understand the facts. Someone who did should be able to explain how he feels that Rittenhouse felt that he was in danger of death. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he concede in evidence that he knew that Rosenbaum had no gun? On the first point, I thought that your earlier posts this evening suggested a relevance to the victim's past to the defence. Apologies if I misinterpreted.

What's their character got to do with Rittenhouse believing he was in danger of death from them?

Heavy fog stopped play apparently.

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Academy

Read what I've written. They're facts. I repeat the question you've avoided - what did you hear in those 4 days (really?!) of watching the trial that satisfied you that Rittenhouse felt his life was in danger? Shouldn't be hard to explain your argument.

Huber grabbing at his gun was his best point. Rosenbaum threw a bag at him. He knowledged that Rosenbaum did not have a gun. There's nothing in that which suggests that he could reasonably have believed his life was in danger. As for the past of the victims, how did us now knowing that make Rittenhouse believe himself to be in danger at the time?! It's a terrible point.

Playing Bournemouth tonight. One nil up.

Indeed. The legal test is clear - reasonable belief that his life was in danger. Nothing about this case suggests to me that he could reasonably have believed that.

No I didn't. What did you hear that makes you satisfied that he reasonably believed that his life was in danger, thus justifying the use of deadly force?

There was no self defence involved, certainly not reasonable self defence. Shocking verdict, as is any defence of the guy.

John Fleck collapses so it must be vaccine related! Bit of a stretch that mate.

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Mystify

I'd go mostly with that, but Perraud would get destroyed by Alexander Arnold/Salah. Sometimes a square peg in a round hole is the best peg, so KWP at lwb for me.

Jeez, that's a proper pile of shite. Villa's quarter of a billion hasn't got them much either.

To be fair to him, to get assists, you need players to take chances and score. I'm not sure De Bruyne would get many assists in our team.