S-Clarke

No, I just called people out when they're chatting shit. I just don't think people need to make things up to justify their opinions, that's all. Case in point, which one of these scenarios was the right one?

How we shortlisted down to Jones will forever confuse me. Sport Republic have put their money where their mouth is, they've spent more than we've ever spent, we've attracted some decent players (international wise) for our position, we've attracted highly thought of coaches and recruitment people from top, top clubs. But rather than show that same level of ambition with a manager, they went the complete opposite way. It's so odd. If they wanted to get rid of Ralph then they needed to show the same level of ambition as they have in other area's of the club.

There was a post similar to this a few days ago, but I think you forget how much the likes of Romeu, Redmond, Forster and co were on. I'd say those 3 guys probably equated to near on 200k per week. We've signed Edozie, Lavia, ABK, Bazunu, Larios in the summer who combined probably don't even get to Forsters wage. I think the wage bill has been trimmed if i'm honest.

I'm trying not to be disrespectful to Luton here as I think they're a cracking club, but doesn't this just show that they're a comfortable club for those sorts of managers to thrive at? They don't have the prying eyes of the media, lots of expensive internationals or the ability to spend lots of money. They just do the basics well, and that's where the likes of Rob Edwards and Jones flourish. Basics. You can't get away with just 'basics' at clubs like ourselves, Stoke, Watford etc - you need to have a lot more about you as there will be higher profile players and bigger personalities to handle. This is why stats and stats alone mean nothing - you always have to look at the bigger picture and what has made him successful there, and then figure out if he can translate that across to a club in a different level. I genuinely don't think any due diligence was done away from checking the 'best manager in Europe' spreadsheets.

Jesse Marsh responded to the question of how he felt about Leeds fans chanting for him to leave - ‘It’s my responsibility and I understand their frustration and doubts and I accept it. Internally we have belief here, we do. The players are all in, they give everything they have,’ said Marsch. ‘I have to find a way to the good things which are happening into results or we find ourselves in a stressful situation.’ Honestly, that's all Jones needed to say. Why he felt the need to go all in like he did is beyond me.

Oh for sure, there is a clear dressing room split as well. You can see that from the way the team play! This is why I think this season is terminal however you dress it up, but we just need to add a bit of hope in the remaining weeks so we don't get relegated with an unhealthy level of toxicity.

God knows, speculation as well. Apparently Selles took the light training this PM, but that may have always been the plan.

It's all speculation, but a couple of ITK folks on here have suggested there was a training ground bust up. It's speculation in respect of who was involved and what happened, but it sounds like it got heated.

Some sort of bust up in training, apparently. Not sure what the context or scale of it is yet.

I don't see the point, it's gone beyond giving him time now. He's killed any opportunity for recovery he may have had, the bloke is an absolute nut job and keeping him in for another game is just creating more irreversible damage. In a weird way, a win against the odds against Wolves with him in charge will be a bigger loss in the long term. I think it's got to the point where we have to call it this week, let Selles take charge of Wolves to give us the best chance and then have someone new in (maybe) for Chelsea away. One of the main things you need in football is hope, having Jones in charge is not giving us any hope and a club without hope is dead.

I keep doing this, but then we lose the next winnable game, so I have a look at the fixtures again....and then we lose the next winnable game etc. The reality is that the games are running out, it's starting to shape up for me like Bournemouth and ourselves will be scrapping for 19th/20th, then you'll have Everton, Forest, Leeds, Wolves flapping around 18th. I think we're done. We don't need 'tiny improvements', we need to literally switch our form of over a year on it's head in the space of a few weeks. Without divine intervention (maybe that's why Jones is here?) I just don't see how it happens.

He has struggled with the intensity of a couple of games I've felt, but I still don't think that is anyway to treat an international - throw them to AFC Totton on the Friday before a PL game. A real shocking show of respect in my opinion, he's a new guy, he's just come to the club and the manager has treated him like that. By the same token, Elyounoussi and Diallo, who struggle against any team they play against and cannot cope with the intensity or physicality at all, are the first names on Jones team sheet. It just doesn't make any sense to me what so ever.

Another angle on his comments (i.e pandering to people, having to work with the players strengths we had) could be a dig at our transfers? We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but what are the chances that he put a load of Luton players on his wish list and we said no? Bree feels like a bit of a cheap compromise, but was probably as far as we were going to go. Honestly wouldn't surprise me. Only Nathan Jones would want Adebayo, Lansbury, Lockyer instead of proven internationals. Limited players who he knows.

I can almost guarantee you that's the line he'd trot out if that happened. He's predictable in that sense.

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us. That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

What Adam says is true, I can't see how he can stay in place. SR have put their money where their mouth is, but their decisions thus far have been erratic and horrendous. A big way of fixing that would be admitting they made a mistake and reverse this decision. If they sit on this decision it's not just this season it's going to erode, the toxicity will build and will take years to leave us if we continue on this path to try and save face. We need to think about next season now and attempt to build a positive environment to take us into it, we're down so we just need to prepare for the next season. You don't prepare for that with a manager who won't be in charge next season, it's like delaying the inevitable and pouring more and more fuel on the existing raging fire. They need to start dampening that fire down now so that we can start to rebuild next year, we can't still be putting out fires in the Championship.

I imagine there was a coming together with a couple, and then everyone piled in to try and separate it, so it looked worse than it was. Would expect emotions running high this morning, certainly after Jones has thrown everyone under the bus. Got a feeling Selles was part of it, not sure why but he strikes me as someone who has had enough of all this.

Yes, for sure fans have vent frustration of many years of crap - but I don't think it's fair to say that we're just giving him the brunt of all that het up frustration. He's bringing this all on himself, not just from losing games, but from what he's saying and how he's acting. He's single handily alienated the entire fan base, coaching staff and a group of first team players in one foul swoop. The only positive you can put on this guy is that he's united people.

I don't think I've ever disliked someone as much as I dislike this guy, and I usually give people a fair chance. But I can't stand his face, his actions, the way he speaks. Just everything about him is immensely unlikable.

He shouldn't be naming any players individually like he did, I'd even be disappointed if he named Diallo. Good managers keep that shit behind closed doors, they do not respond back to the fans with snipes which he has done on numerous occasions. He's an incredibly confused and unhinged individual. On one hand he will say the fans are entitled to their views, then the next sentence he tell us we must have been watching a different game and that his call was the right one.

One of the most baffling things from the last few weeks for me has been the return of Bednarek. This is a guy who was a major reason for our flood gates being opened, part of the 9-0's, part of the quick-fire collapses. He needed to go in the summer and we needed to replace him with better, which we did in ABK and DCC. So it defies absolutely all logic to throw the players we brought in to replace him into the B Team, recall Bednarek and start him in the team - and look what happens, we ship goals and concede in quick-fire succession again. I just don't know who thought this was a good idea.

Quite telling stats, he's been telling us for weeks that we've been better defensively and harder to beat. In the last 7 league games Ralph had in charge - ◉ 7 games ◉ 4 losses ◉ 13 goals conceded ◉ 5 goals scored [3 open play] Granted, that's not great at all and is a shocking set of stats....but, he's made us worse from a position we couldn't really get much worse from. And we're not better defensively.

There is no witch hunt, he is creating this toxicity. He is making our football club a laughing stock around the world by the way he acts and portrays himself, he looks and acts like a dishevelled mess. As fans we know when things are good, we're also equally astute to know when things aren't good. Using players as an example, you could clearly see that Tino was a good player the moment he touched the football, but on the other side you can clearly tell that Jones is out of his depth by almost everything he does.

You can now clearly see why Moi, Diallo and Lyanco have been almost ever presents in his teams. They know that they're way, way short of being good enough for this level so they'll toe the line of whatever is said so they get their starts. Moi strikes me as such a teachers pet, JWP similar to be honest, but even he seems a little more subdued. This is a huge test of his captaincy, which let's be honest has never been inspiring at any stage.

I don't think it can, anything which happens now is surely in spite of the manager given how he's thrown everyone under the bus. As much as I hate knee-jerk and fickle nonsense, I cannot see how his position can be tenable for any longer after his performance yesterday, both in game and after game.