Lord Duckhunter

We are being denied a vote because the great and the good are worried by what the result could be. If they thought it would be a walk over like the AV vote,they'd be opening the polling stations tomorrow.

Most people would want to be in a trading bloc with the rest of Europe, anmd that's what we voted to stay in 40 years ago. However the EU is not just a Trading bloc. Had it remained so there would be no arguement at all. It's the creeping loss of soverignty and the neutering of the British Parliament that makes it such a toxic issue. The very same people telling us we had to join the Euro or face being left behind are now telling us we have to remain in Europe or be left behind. The only people qualified to decide the future of our relationship with Europe are the British people, it is our Parliament being sidelined, our sovereignty, nobody has the right to do that without being given a mandate to do so. Why is it that the people who are convinced they have such a great case for Europe, are unwilling to put that case to the British people?

It doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether the USA wants us to have a referendum or not, we are never going to get one. The great and the good have lied to us over and over again over Europe, they are certainly not gonna let the great unwashed sabotage their "project".

Snap, and 2 of them hadn't done enough away games to qualify on the first day. There were so many cock Ups going on the database it must have must slipped through. I was talking to a bloke in the pub about it before the Chelsea game and he didn't even know there was a 4 rule. He reckons he's gone online and got more than 4 three times this season. Is it defo for online sales as well? Because 2 in our group had been to less games, before villa i had booked 4 and then 2 a couple of days later, so id never tried before

Watching the Liverpool Mansfield game the commentator said that Daniel Sturridge was looking to add to his haul of 2 FA cup winners medals. Then went on to add, he was an unused sub last season and came on for the last 90 seconds against the Skates. Surely these guys have an empty feeling picking up medals that they've not really earnt?

Talking of away support, one of the Few posted this on another site as an example of the "great support". About 6 of them singing, a few smurfs, a strangled trumpet sound, a bell, and a drummer out of tune. How the **** can you play a drum so badly, is beyond me.

It's clearly not the same for youngsters as it was 30 years ago. I have 3 boys ranging from 14 to 24, between that age I knew all the winners,knew all the heroes, the dickie guys, Ronnie radfords, could name the finalists since I was about 6. There's no way I would miss a cup final on tv. My lads are mad keen on football, but the cup is must,meh, to them. It's only going to get worse because us fossils will be gone and they won't pass what they don't really give a shiny ****e about, on to their kids. 30 years ago going out in the 3rd round would have ruined the week for me, id have been gutted. By 7pm sat I was just glad we didn't lose 3 points. Whoever says the cup is as it was 30 years ago is talking bollards

Then every single player playing the game is a cheat. Why aren't pundits and the like calling Ryan Giggs a cheat when he appeals for a throw in he knows is the other way. What about Gazza's bootlaces suddenly needing tieing up when we're leading in the last 10 mins, is he a cheat.

Do you think Jose Fonte is a cheat?

Didn't Jose knock one off of Jones' head against Stoke as well.......

****ing half wits can't even honour heroes without screwing it up. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/368721/War-memorial-spelling-errors-upset-veterans

I remember about 30 years ago stood on the dell terraces and there was some really fit bird stood in front of us, my mate said "if we score I'm having a grope " sure enough we knock one in and he touches her up during celebration. You could see she wasn't sure if it was an accident , but moved second half. Couldn't happen nowadays of course, another reason to bemoan all seated stadiums.

I ****ing hate all this nonsense, really do. There is not a professional player in the country that wouldn't have done the same, but because he's who he is, he's a cheat. Same with Maradona, clowns like terry butcher and waddle going on and on about it, yet Jackie Charlton tried the same thing in the 66 semi final and nobody goes on about that. Double standards . Footballers appeal for corners when they know it's a goal kick, pinch yards at throw ins, dive, exagerate contact, waste time and sometimes handle the ball. It's not ****ing golf,what do the waddles of this world want them to do, call the infringement themselves.had Barnes done what Diego did in the same game, would butcher have said " would you mind chalking that off old chap" to the ref?

I thought it was a strange atmosphere yesterday. I sat in my normal seat and there were hardly any regulars arond me, my drinking partners, who sit in various areas said the same after the game. Sat near me there were clearly tourist type fans, who weren't as passionate. I can't remember being so meh about a competitive game, even when we were winning i couldn't really get into it. I stopped going to friendlies because of the same feeling and I'll defo think twice about cup games, unless it's the skates. It's sad really because i used to love the cup, but it's a big "so what" now. As for the Chelsea fans, the bounce thing was great, but other than that weren't any different than any big sides away cup support.

Spot on. I could understand someone like Friedal but Green and Robbo are no better than what we have and Sorenson's been shaky the past couple of years.

Right, dog needed a walk I needed a pint, so popped into local that allows dogs. Complete dive, but newspapers to read. Spotting mail/fail/hail read lttlejohns article. Rather than being nutty I found it pretty much spot on, certainly more entertaining than one of toynbees efforts. Pretty much agreed with most of it. Why was dawn raid on 82 year old Stewart halls gaff, he's hardly likely to go on the run. Why was latest suspect arrested at airport, then a day later released on bail till march, if within one day you're bailed for 3 months isn't airport arrest a bit Ott.why police pics of house search and removing evidence, the allegation was 40 years old and he's moved dozens of times since,what evidence are they hoping to find? And finally the point that if you report a burglary from yesterday, plod aren't interested and can't don't have the man power, report a celeb from 40 years ago and its like the Sweeny. Littlejohn summised that maybe plod, having ****rd up over Saville are putting on a show. Also said something suspicious is going on here,something that was alluded to earlier in this thread. He did say that time should be no bar to charges, but how can you prove beyond reasonable doubt in a he said she said sex case from 40 years ago. The article got me thinking, next time a toe rag breaks into my shed, instead of just taking a crime number, I'm going to tell them it was damaged 40 years ago by cher who after giving me a blow job against my will rode off on my bike. Maybe that way they'll do their job properly.

It really all depends how the nutter works out. It makes no sense to me to have gazza and butland,but gazza ain't ready.personally I'd loan gazza out this season and maybe next to a champ side, and fill the gap with an old pro on a 2 year deal. Clearly not skd, but maybe the nutter will come good. Would only get butland if it's a steal and we screw brum over.

Forum rules, anyone quoting or buying the Dail Mail/Fail/hail is considered a nutter. Littlejohn is the worst type of nutter, so to use his name could get you certified.

Lefties getting their knickers in a twist alert.............

Seems like some have arrived pretty quick and some not yet, I have absolutely no faith in them coming, which is a ficking joke in this day and age.

Has anyone received their tickets via post yet? I am expecting another major balls up from the wonderful ticket office

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I don't know why people get their knickers in a twist over playing "my clubs bigger than your club". As for attracting players 99% of the time it'll be down to the agent to push the player to accept the "best" deal. There's absolutely no doubt which of the two clubs agents will be recommending, throw into the mix Mr Redknapp, who like it or not players want to play for, a west London location to keep the mrs happy, and its probably true they'll be more attractive than us to the vast majority of players.

They seem two decent young men. Can you really blame either for leaving, because I can't given where we were and what was on offer. Thought it was great to clap them but singing was cringeworthy ( as was singing French jimmy savillie-pathetic)

Davis was fantastic worked his socks off and played some neat stuff. The whole back 4 did well, although we missed clynes overlaps. Really pleased for Nigel as there were a few near me moaning about his substitutions but I think be got them spot on. Legs up top and strengthened the middle of the park. Arsenal were on a roll and had knocked a few in lately, so would have taken a point at start. Keepers obviously still an issue, but I'd stick with the nutter.