benjii

Fair play, and I agree that the lads will need careful management as they must be getting fairly demoralised but I think whatever benefit this brings will ultimately be futile unless we do something more drastic quickly.

Come off it. A positive spin is the last thing we need. We need to recognise we are rubbish and change things.

So presumably Forest fans who dared to hope for a win were "naive". Clearly 95 times out of 100, Man U will beat this awful Saints team. That doesn't mean the manager's ludicrous decisions or the players' limp, scared, gutless performances cannot be questioned.

This is the point >>>

Why persist with this glib crap?

Unbelievable attitude IMO.

It didn't touch his arm. An important element of the handball offence IMO. Also, I don't know about you, but the elbow is where my arm bends.

He had his arm curled to protect his face. Anyway - who cares? We were **** and well beaten, regardless of what the ref was playing at.

5 attempts on goal in a home match = relelgation quicker than you can say "madcap lunatic revolutionary coaching setup". Five. 3 of them wide. Pathetic.

Because we played awfully?

Remarkable how he's been playing so well if he can't see properly!

A tad dramatic.

It's sad because I was genuinely enthused by Poortvliet for the first four games of the season but unfortunately we are just getting worse and worse.

Yeah, we'd have stuffed them otherwise.

Anyone who still believes we play "attractive" football or "the best football for years" has serious perception problems IMO. It is clear that we will be relegated if we do not change manager.

This is the crux for me. The "pretty football" myth has died another death today.

Uninspiring drudgery yet again. No game plan. No precision. No presence. No touch. No creativity. The ref didn't help but let's not pretend United broke into a sweat. Perry and Davis kept the score below 5.

I really don't think we have. We have been completely pointless again. It's uninspiring drudgery. United have been playing at about 50% since the second goal and we've been awful. We had one good chance from Smith's run. That is it.

No complaints about being outplayed and I'm not having a go at the players who no doubt are trying, just aren't very good - it's the management that really ****es me off. Utterly clueless. We could do a few simple things that would help us out immensely but we don't we persevere with football that produces no chances at home. How much more did the Liverpool team cost than the Preston team? The Man City team than the Forest team etc..... We just have no idea how to pressurise other teams or to play effective football. EDIT - I realise Preston lost, not sure why I referred to them really?!

I have to agree with that! ps. I'm right.

I've seen it and I'm right. HTH.

I've never said I thought we would do any better today. I'm simply disagreeing with you when you state we've been decent today and would win league games playing like this. I think we've been rubbish.

5Live are wrong. HTH.

You clearly don't know the rules but as it did not hit his arm or any part of his body deemed to be the "arm" for the purposes of a handball offence, it doesn't matter anyway.