Smirking_Saint

I believe in a few years the governments will have no control over whether or not we 'know' They have been here, i am sure of that, which is why IMO the ancient civilizations were so advanced and many of their 'gods' are in fact descriptions of aliens All IMO of course.

Not publicising them yes, but discouraging ?? I don't think you can really say that, otherwise they would not have offered a decent renewal price. I guess we will see how many STH's we have soon. I agree, Stu makes some valid points, and NC's PR skills leave a lot to be desired, however i just don't see things being as bad as it is being portrayed and certainly do not buy into some of the conspiracy theories being thrown around. From what i can see it makes decent financial sense.

True, The problem is everyone does the exact same thing. What if this is a success and you start to see more clubs doing the same ? And Stu we will all look forward to your apologies if we are proved right !

This is my point, no need to stop the game then simples. As for St Landrew and Pancakes point, i just don't think St Landrew gets it. What if it didn't cross the line ? Then Man Utd would have been stopped in their tracks attempting to counter attack for no reason whatsoever and will create more issues. Where as, as soon as the ball crosses the line a little alarm goes off for the ref, easy. As for the diving etc, just have after game video replays and card the cheaters that have been found out. Or alternatively when the ref has blown for the foul and wants to decide if it is a red THEN the 4th official can check the video replay and aid the referee. But all that is here nor there, the OP is should we have GOAL LINE TECHNOLOGY and a simple chip that alerts when it crosses the line will sort it instantly.

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See that is the strange thing, if you asked me as a supporter who would i prefer to have the most amount of success i would in almost all cases say Saints, probably because they are the team i support they define me most. However if i was a PLAYER and a good player i mean, than i would always covet playing for my country and playing in a world cup. That said there are three teams i would give my all to wear the shirt for, Saints, England and Real Madrid. Madrid is a weird one, as they never really live up to the hype but IMO they buy the best, and so in that respect i would want to wear the white as a testiment to my ability, if you get my drift. But alas, two snapped ACL's later i'll struggle getting into some reserve side somewhere, suppose i could always go downhill and play for hedge end

Fair point well made

+1 TBF thats the only criticism i have of this place as all in all it is run very very well, but in some cases the moderation is pretty heavy handed. The majority like a bit of banter but some can't take any so where do you draw the line ?? Plus i got some points the other day for what was IMO nothing at all and a legitimate post. Some of the stuff from wiltshire is clearly a wind up but most thick skinned people can take it with a pinch of salt, most of the time it can be pretty funny. TBF this time he has summed things up quite well, i do feel sorry for JonnyBoy in a way but he has had 3 chances and can't even really see the error in his ways.

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I agree that we need to have around the 2/3rds mark, and agree we need a healthy number of season tickets, or at least 2/3rds our maximum attendance which is around 12k. The truth will be in the pudding whether or not we recieve a healthy number of STH's without the outlay of an advertising campaign. As if their is an increase in attendance and STH's it would have been a success however you look at it.

I do agree with that, and no the increased prices etc will never help, and it is a shame to lose people that have ST's as all in all these are the people that will essentially spend more money (not just on the original product) over the course of their supporting lifetime. I did have a ST but changed my job and so couldn't afford one for the last few years, and in all honesty i am sort of in that camp, thinking do i really need to spend £1k a year on football ? But i will go back to it. It was a mistake removing the payment plan etc, but i IMO believe it was not as damaging as some would like us to think. Unless NC turns out to be like Lowe, and in that respect i mean in not making the football club competetive as THAT is the main reason for an increase in STH's and fans, competetive, attractive and winning football, then the fan base will not shrink but will infact grow.

And there we have it, the whole reason why you get so much vitriol towards you on this site and you had to change your name, mainly because you can only argue your point for so long and then resort to name calling and generally being a sarccy C*nt. Well done, you are always right, you are always great. I really cannot be ars*d to argue with someone that is no more than a trolling WUM with an inferiority complex fighting to change the minds of the masses like some evangelist shouting an opinion down peoples throats again and again and again. You ask for reasoned debate and then completely ignore other peoples views and just change to insulting them, what next the dreaded 'lets meet for a drink then?' as if it is some sort of point proving exercise ? My opinions will only change for myself and currently they are what i say on here, i am not trying to wind anyone up, just don't buy into the conspiracy that is NC wants an empty stadium. And no, 92 clubs do not believe that an entire stadium of STH's is the right idea Stu, the majority of them have that and never will.

Problem is Stu is your 'lets me for a pint' speeches always come across as the same aggressive ways in which you post and shout down opinions mate. Perhaps that is why most people don't want to meet up with you ?? But anyways back to topic, FWIW i honestly think this price hike is a bit too hight, £200 plus cup games and a tenner is less steep and more f*cking verticle. I guess that SFC does not own the car parks however so you never know quite how highly those that do have priced the ground to SFC but still, i just can't see it jump that high.

So you shout me down for making sarccy comments and then within the last line bring up the ubber-fan crap that you keep bringing up ?? Why ? Why have i ever said i am an Uber fan ? Or better than you or anyone else ?? How have i made myself look retarded by commenting on these issues ?? How do you know about my position financially etc ?? Truth is Stu, i was going to buy a ST this season but i cannot justify paying the money upfront, so in essance i am effected by the removal of the payment plan as i would have almost definately bought one if it were still available. I could get a 0% credit card etc but instead have re-assessed my priorities and have settled on hand picking as many games as i can and will probably go to more away games and miss the majority of mid-weekers. All in all though i can see the number of STH's increasing, and so how would NC have f*cked up ? We would have more than usual. I would never advocate a club having more than 2/3rds of its supporters being STH's anyways, it just does not make good financial sense and stifles the growth of a fanbase. You laugh at him walking around saying hello to the fans and giving away a ST to a newborn as a minute gesture and you are then up in arms as fans that only read the daily echo (i would argue not a massive % of the fanbase) have to wait a massive 24 hours for news, wow. Every club has differences, infact the majority are in the red, saints are not, i would much much prefer a stable future and a decent team, ambition and set up then a few more PR 'stunts' from the chairman. And as for the prices, they will always stay within a level that is sustainable to keep a decent level of attendance, and for that reason will never become too astronomical. But well done to you to being more knowledgeable than all of us to the running of a major business within an industry not governed by the same rules that affect those in a usual commercial situation. You truelly are an idol amoungst forum posters.

I agree with that, completely agree and think we should be selling more ST's especially after last season. All i was saying that every season i would assume there would be a natural reduction of people renewing for whatever reason, obviously you can't have more people 'renewing' than already had a ST, but you will always get people that don't keep it up for whatever reason. You then need to add to this with people that buy new tickets. I honestly believe we will have more STH's than last season, all in all the payment plan has not affected as many as has been made out and the outcry has pretty much died down now, well in the people i know anyways and most of them arent exactly flush. It was a mistake by NC, i do get that and a shame on those few that it has affected which will generally be families.

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All very quiet down St Marys. No rumours no nothing, all we know officially is that Pardew is looking for a new striker or two. Hopefully we will hear a bit more soon. This forum needs something else to talk about.

Eh ??

Got nothing to say then Stu ??

Can't you three just have a spit roast and get over it ? Don't forget to high five in the middle before changing sides.

Well, fair play for dealing with it in a proper non violent way.

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We have talked about it over PM Stu, and the issue is yes you do make some good points, however you are so single minded it really wouldn't matter if i had a counter arguement or not, your focussed and obsessed in attempting to make every one you meet share your hatred of NC. You argue against this by saying not to go onto a thread that you have started on the subject however each and every f*cking thread i look at these days have you gobbing off on the same tedious subject. You have made your points, you have argued and argued, you have even changed your name for some reason ? But all in all those that you would have influenced with this have been and those that are not going to be influenced are currently finding it all pretty boring. NC is what he is, a businessman, he was never a fan of Southampton he just saw a business oppurtinity. How hard is that to see ?? We are customers of the club, always have been, no need to spit your dummy out because the club does not tailor to your every need. He is running the club as a business and is attempting to fund a successful charge to the PL whilst building the team and infrastructure along the way. All of these things you hear about him need to be taken with a pinch of salt to, as a lot of these 'rumours' are twisted and changed dependant on the word of mouths outlook towards them. I would hazard a guess we still have a large ST uptake, and i would also argue atleast 80% of the STH would renew, which i would imagine to be a natural swing most seasons anyways. I agree NC is crap at PR, i agree he could have done things better and definately should have warned of the payment plan change before hand and should have reconsidered it's removal to the detriment of the fans. However we don't know all of the reasons for its removal, you did some research but only from one side of it. Personally i blame all those defaulters last season as without which i would hazard a guess NC would have kept it up but as per usual the selfishness of a few detriment on others and highlights the fact that if you can't afford something don't buy it. Everyone i know who is renewing had a moan about the payment plan but has now got over it and renewed and a few more of us are buying new ST's. Most of us are happy with the progression, i am sort of on the fence about NC but understand this is a business not a charity. He will never alienate the entire fanbase, it will never ever happen FFS, prices won't ever be too astronomical (within reason) as it will stifle profits from attendance. And TBF if we are challenging like chelsea in the prem than yes i would pay for that premium.

I never realised keifer sutherland Snr was a UFO enthusiast

Were they in the leicester chronicle this morning ?