Hodgey

I think the issue is not how much we would get, but who would take them on their wages. I’d imagine we would be happy with nominal fees c £2-5m for most of them to get them off the books. We would have done very well to get rid of 10 ‘squad’ players for £35m,, but throw in £25m a year saved on wages you have a sum to get a couple of decent 1st team players (cf and cb) and a back up right back. Needs to be done - 1st job of this new bloke from Everton and Ross (not hopeful they will have huge success)

Also more worrying is he is also in charge of contract negotiations. Been very quiet on this front - aside from a couple of youth players we’ve done nothing here, I’ve no idea what their strategy is on this - are they trying to run everyone’s contracts down in case we go down ? On second thoughts I’m glad he’s not making any decisions - we’d probably see extensions for Moi, Long and Austin. I’d be hoping that we are trying to secure new contracts on sellable assets we’d ideally keep - Bednerak, JWP, Valery, Bertrand and Redmond (can’t think of anyone else to be honest I’m that bothered about)

I’ve not exactly sat in the fence on this one in the past. Not sure what is going on, but this fella is way out of his depth - he’s been portrayed as the Doogie Howser of recruitment but the reality is his history is nothing special and he lacks the experience and skills needed for the role. If you combine this bloke with our new external perception - relegation strugglers with no money - I can’t see us doing much good in the transfer market. At least our youth dev is showing signs of recovery. To the comment about just needing someone to sell players - well he has shown he can’t do that either - we perennially have to loan out duds as we can’t get them off the wage book, and undersell anyone good (VVD exception - but that was only due to Gao refusal to sell - not Ross). I’m gobsmacked that with our intention to be a self funded business - we are happy with this pound shop character in charge of the most vital part of it. We merrily pay average players £40k a week - why wouldn’t we pay that for someone good in this role (and build a team round him on similar wages) who could make a fundamental difference. He may have potential - but he should take a junior role and get someone capable in charge.

The boy clearly has talent - he’s been facing some of the best wingers in the Prem and hasn’t looked particularly out of his depth - having never played senior football he’s made fewer mistakes than some of those around him. That said he would be bottom 3 in terms of Prem rb rankings, so I think both sides of this argument have a point - he’s got talent and has improved, but in our situation we shouldn’t be gambling on a player who will always struggle at this stage of his career vs rival rbs.

2 things killed us against them away. Firstly Sessignon and their LB got round Valery far too easily, secondly we made Mitrovic look like Ibrahimovic - I’ve never seen a player own CBs like that - won everything. Not sure we have addressed either point. We can outscore them though - shame we have no decent wingers as their full backs are a massive weak link. I think draw - if we lose this that means Fulham and Cardiff have done the double over us so you can’t complain when we go down - only team we are better than us Udders.

To me it’s pretty clear - the board (rightly) saw that the people in charge made terrible decisions on contracts and signings. They got rid of a couple - but in order to run the club with continuity kept a couple (and to find out who was actually culpable). They are not going to waste good money after bad so I imagine they challenged the team to rectify mistakes (get rid of deadwood) and once done have another crack. They failed to do the first and either were not allowed (possible) or not capable (probable) to do the latter. I’m hoping that we see a new DOF and scouting/contract team in place by the summer. I think the question of being broke is hard to prove. GAO backed us (invested) in the transfer market in Jan/Summer and we’ve seen zero improvement (you could argue we’ve gone backwards) he’s going to need more confidence before doing so again (be honest - if you were him wouldn’t you be thinking the £40m wages/transfer on Carrillo and Moi would have been better spent paying off 20pc of his debt at whatever interest he’s paying ???)

Barnes and Ramsay too

He was at the standard I expect a Prem CB to play - although he was made to look much better by some of the awful mistakes the rest of the back 5 showed, but for once mostly got away with. Still think we need another CB to play alongside him but yes he is the one CB who has shown continuous improvement so Hughes just ignoring him wasn’t clever.

He was always our most creative player - but inconsistent. The frustration is more that we have replaced inconsistent creativity with none - and lost £5m into the bargain. Here’s hoping that Ralph can get something out of Moi - I think there is something there but his confidence must be rick bottom.

Yes Dellman - I’m thinking of realistic options, were not going to get anyone with a great record now are we ?. I think they could do a job and would realistically accept, anyone we get now would have recent failure - otherwise they’re not touching this job. Maybe we gamble on the arrogance of Hughes ‘never been down’ as he is taking this lot down so that may motivate him ‘ie you’re not being fired no matter what..’ bit of a risk though

I was there and agree with most. Lemina ad Armstrong were very good, Cedric, Austin and the 2 cbs were very bad. Interesting to see the Redmond quotes - he beat players for fun but had zero output - I’m amazed people still think he is the best thing since sliced bread when he has no ultimate effect. He was as good as Redmond can be today - but that isn’t enough. We’re going down as we are without doubt, I’d bring O’Neil and Keane in. Our squad is average but unlike able and arrogant - I’d hope those two can stop that.

We didn’t outplay them - they had good periods and so did we but we definitely didn’t outplay them (look at the stats for balance - what was it 58pc Watford possession ?). We need to be very careful over this victim mentality - we didn’t deserve to win, yes on another day the ref doesn’t give their pen and gives our goal - but that is luck, with a neutral hat on we didn’t deserve to win.

Fair result - I thought we played ok. We are not fit enough and mentally unsurprisingly we don’t have any belief. But Hoet played well again (and I’m not a general fan), Gabbi was excellent first half but tired second. Redmond non existent first but much better second. McArthy excellent and kept us in it first 20, Armstrong finally playing as a non10 looked promising but was hit and miss, Lemina also good. This lot are going to struggle to stay up. Irrelevant of manager, they have lost belief that can only come with some wins. So my only complaint on Hughes, and an unforgivable one, is to get them fitter, Chatting to Watford fans on way back - their opinion was that if we had gone for it after 1-0 we would have won, but sitting back helped them. To be honest not my view of the game but thought I’d share.

Glad it’s away given they’ve won more games at st marys than us since Nov ! Wouldn’t surprise me if we won this. Given we’ll have our arses well and truly handed to us against Man City even if we play well we may as well give this a proper go. Think we’ll see JWP, Armstrong, Gunn and Targett for this one. He needs to keep Hoet and Stephens together though - looks like they are building something which is a positive.

I’d be playing him too if we carry on with this formation. Think the only reason Moi is playing is the price tag, he clearly is no better than JWP at the moment and his set pieces are much worse (and they can be the difference)

Or a Villa - they had a good 3 seasons in the doldrums with Lambert, McLeish, Sherwood and their version of Mo Pe - Remi Garde. Like Sunderland (and inevitably us) they had no leaders and just spiralled into a downwards momentum. It would take a gigantic turn of momentum for us to avoid following suit - and we don’t have the leadership for that. Think we have a fair few years of this until things bottom out and we can start again (hopefully not going down to div1 this time).

This’ll be 2-0, Hazard and then a later one from Giroud to put it to bed. They are a good team in form, we are an average team out of form. Newcastle is the key game - Hughes needs to pick his best team here so they build up an understanding for the bigger 6 pointers.

Be a good signing Cahill. The player we tried to get with Hoet and then tried again with Vest. He can do a job for a couple of years whilst we see if the other two (or more likely Bed and Stephens) improve.

Redmond is a more exciting player to watch - but surely nobody can argue that he contributes more assists or goals than JWP - he doesn’t. I agree he is playing better this year, but no end product - he totally disappeared when the going got tough on Monday. There is an argument to sell both - then again we’d buy a Boufal (worse), Ramirez (worse) or Moi (jury out) if we sold either given our totally incompetent scouting team so what’s the point ?. Personally I think we are a better team when JWP plays right mid - Hughes disagrees but then again Moi and Redmond have contributed the sum total of zero so far. Hopefully they end up firing but I have my reservations

Brighton were abysmal in the 1st half and we should have put them away. They could only improve and frankly bossed the 2nd half. Hughes culpable for subs - that was turning into a frantic Championship game and you needed people to get stuck in. Gabbi upfront by himself with JWP, Davis and Redmond supporting 3 let Brighton’s back line push up and win everything. We needed Rom, Yoshi and Gallagher on to battle our way back. Positives is that we do look like a much better side than last season for the odd half - but have a very weak mentality. Who would you want ‘in the trenches’ from that lot ?

hmm - Reckless driving that could have led to loss of life, weaselling out of any responsibility, failing to turn up, using his money to get himself out of trouble. And our young supporters are supposed to look up to this are they ?. Meanwhile Beckham is up to similar antics. At least Ant McP admitted the issue and had remorse. And some people think these overpaid morons can do absolutely no wrong. Frankly I’d be happy to see him out of the club (not just for this - but he clearly cares little about Saints or Southampton) Makes me laugh that Hoijberg gets absolutely slated on national media for diving (which I don’t condone) yet this dispicable behaviour will barely be noticed.

I’ve mentioned on another thread that imo Wilson is nowhere near up to the task. For some reason the club think he is some kind of young wiz kid yet his transfer and contract results are frankly awful. He’s even managed to get promoted in that period !. At least Les was associated with success previously. Like you say he has managed to p&ss £300m up the wall...there is a reason nobody wants any of our players (bar Tadic who we basically gave away in today’s market prices). Can’t see him going anywhere though, maybe we can promote him again to some kind of toothless role and find a proper head of scouting.

He's not beyond hope but there are fundamental issues - equally for those lording Vest we should be careful as I remember after 2 games people saying Hoet looked class !. The bottom line is good CBs are very hard to find but vitally important to a good team (we went down to my mind as we never replaced Svensson). The issue I (and others I think) have with him is not just the silly mistakes that have increasingly come into his game - that can be resolved, but there are more fundamental issues - overplaying at the back leading to reckless tackles, little strength, not great in the air, no pace. Generally the best teams have one 'marker' and one 'coverer' - the skill set for the marker should be a big powerful lump who is always in the way and hard to get past, the cover should be good on the ball, quick with good anticipation (rarely you get both - ie Alderwereld and VVD). I just don't know where Hoet fits in this - he definately isn't cover - and seems to be poor as marker even though you would hope that would be his strength (back end of last season about 3 times a fwd powered in a header and Hoet was left doing some kind of odd chicken impression where he had been toppled over). As such I can't see any future for him (in this league) aside from emergency cover - and I think we have equally below-average (and cheaper / more likely to improve) cases in Bed and Stephens. Hope I'm wrong (also hope I don't see anymore chicken impressions). Can't comment on the attitude thing - all I can say is if in any way true at all he must have more front that Brighton given his performances to date.

If Shane Long and Steven Davis play 'many many' games for us this year we will be in trouble. I'm hoping Hughes has just said this to keep them motivated - it's not his fault he's got a load of dead wood on £50k plus a week - but you're never going to sell that, or even loan them at those wages - only top or Premier teams pay that money and none of those will be interested.