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Not sure that Koeman was spouting off about Vlaar. MOre like he was asked a direct question and responded. It is one thing for a club to be "linked" with a player and another for them to put in a bid. We were "linked" with Caluker for ages and only later did we hear that we were never in for him. The window is shut at the moment so if Manchester City are interested the best they could do is try and get him on loan. Given that he cant play for some months yet that is not likely. Jay is still under contract for some time so even if he does come back as good as he was and doesnt sign a contract, he cant go anywhere unless the club agree to sell him before his contract runs out. Not sure what the fuss is about. Koeman has said he wants to build a team around him and Schneiderlin and if he is that determined neither will go until their contracts run out or the club changes its mind about keeping them.

Optimism is hoping something will happen. You state categorically that he will fully recover. How do you know that for sure? Dont you think that Koeman knows enough about football to get the best out of his players? You said you were optimistic - but not optimistic enough about how Koeman uses Jay it seems!

Ok, back from the pub and the hog roast was awesome. 1. How do you know for sure that he will recover fully? 2. What difference does it matter how RK uses him? He will clearly be used as a striker. If, as you say the wonderful Manchester City are ofter him surely if he is played as a stiker the only thing that will affect his form is if he recovers fully ffom his injury or not?

Tell you waht boys, you carry on worrying about Jay signing for Manchester City. I am off to the pub for a couple of beers and a hog roast. I think I know who will be be having a better afternoon

Strangely you were the only person who thought fit to start the thread. Unlike you to start a negative thread Delldays Tell you what, when Jay signs for City I'll buy you a pint and say well done.

Oh do grow up, of course not. But if you think about it, Koeman says he is not for sale, he is crocked, we didnt sell him to Spurs, do you really think we are going to sell him to Manchester City?

New stories? How many actual news stories have there been this some and how many pieces of idle speculation. How much time has been wasted on things that havent happened and were never going to happen? We have been told that Jay is not for sale. So this is idle speculation.

Why start the thread then? The player is injured and not playing at the moment. Koeman has said he is not selling him. If that is the case and he doesnt sign a new contact he is free to go where he wants. Makes no difference in City are interested. But hey, it is another negative story so lets get it out there. I fret because I come on here for proper news (big mistake I know) and informed debate. Your threads seem mostly to be doom and gloom (when you are not making sweeping generalisations). I paid £5 for this and I would rather my money was spent on a higher level of drivel. Cortese has gone. We have a new Board, a new manager and a number of new players. There is a lot to be optimistic about but I get up on a Sunday morning and here you are peddling doom again.

What about Cole's wages? I dont know but I expect the club weighed up the options and decided that Long suited our needs this season and on. Sorry mate but I dont think the club takes into account your opinion on players when signing them. I dont know their relative ages but isnt Cole pushing on a bit now? Does he play the Pelle role as Long obviously offers somthing different? Shaw doesnt play for us anymore and it is unlikely that Baines ever will, no matter what they do this season. Last season has gone, it is this season that it important now and it is all the play for once more.

I think the "fear" thing is spot on. Many players seem to change when they pul on the England shirt. The expectations have been way to high for years given that we have won nothing since 1966. It doesnt help with we have gone from the goldern generation to the rusty bit of iron generation and dont have a lot of quality at the moment. Sounds like we are going to sit back. Sorry state of affairs where we are worried about Switzerland (no disrepect to them).

Sat through something called Evil Aliens the other night. Thats a coule of hours of my life thrown away.

Why do we keep needing to find extra things to worry about? He is not even playing at the moment and there is no guarantee he will come back at the same level. He will either sign a new contract or he will be off. Fretting about it on an internet forum will not make the slightest difference. The sun is shining - go outside and do something useful instead of worring about something you have absolutely no control over!

Horrifically overspent? Unlike you to make a sweeping statement Delldays! Long and Cole have barely kicked a ball this season and already you have decided who the better player for us will be? This is why you get so much stick here mate. At no point did I say we should dismiss opinions. I just pointed out that you made a statement that wasnt supported by the stats (which clearly show that Baines was more effective). People can criticise RK all they want. I think they should wait a while but hey, you only get 5 minutes on an internet forum before dsome cyber jokey thinks they have you measured up. Opinions are like ars*holes, everybod has one. The simple fact is that having said Shaw was the best left back in the country (not proven) then you went on to say that you thought that Baines was better last season and threw your dummy out of the pram when I found stats backing your opinion up. You just want to come on for an arguement dont you?

Dont worry, she will probably turn out to be a fat old munter in years to come!

Another day another negative thread started by our resident little ray of sunshine.

I am not saying anything. I am just telling you what the stats say and what the consensus of what I have found on the Internet says about the best left back in the Premiership. It would appear that going by the stats Baines was better than Shaw. You initially said that Shaw was the best left back. The stats say not. If the stats say that Cole was better than Long last season then that's fine by me.

One more stat before I call it day. PPI points. Baines 542. Evra 487. Shaw 469. Full backs are expected not just to defend nowdays but also to provide more attacking options and that is where Shaw falls down at the moment and why, in unbiased terms, her wasnt the best left back in the Premiership last season.

No, let us just gather more evidence other than your opinion and then make a judgement shall we?

This is your exact quote Delldays.

Delldays quote was that Luke Shaw was the best left back in the Premiership last season. I am struggling to find much evidence of that (as good as Luke clearly was).

PremierLeague.com users team for last season - left back Leighton Baines

He is a pro. Pro Soccer Talk Best Defenders of last season. No 5 Leighton Baines No 8 Luke Shaw

Joey Barton (professional footballer). "I dont think any left back really stood out" but chose Leighton Baines for his best Premiership side of last season.

FourFourTwo - best full back of the year last season - Leighton Baines

Spot on for a change Delldays