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This policy is a no brainer. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/11/general-election-latest-news-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer/

Broja is an Everton signing all day long.

It is just a shame that they haven’t bothered to do the right thing for the last 14 years.

Is this from the Delldays Party manifesto?

I’m no economic expert, but if you cut stamp duty for first time buyers, won’t that led to a housing price hike? Also his promise of multiple tax cuts, isn’t that all a bit Liz Truss? More cuts to public services to pay for them?

My point was that if potential allies of the people you attack have nuclear weapons it would be sensible for the aggressor to factor that in, yes? If they still go ahead, the deterrent hasn’t worked very well. We shouldn’t have nuked anyone, that is the point. We are spending billions of pounds on weapons we will never use and are still vulnerable to terrorist and cyber attacks when we should be providing more money for the underfunded armed forces and make better provision for defence for both the UK and NATO. Actually the SaintsWeb might just have found the answer to guaranteed world peace. Provide every country on the planet with nuclear weapons and everyone will be deterred from attacking anyone else ever again 😉

From doing what he has done and is continuing to do in invading sovereign territories. He hasn’t invaded a NATO country yet but is is looking to expand his empire and must have factored in that whilst the West might complain and offer military assistance, he wasn’t going to face the threat of a nuclear strike in support. Nations with nukes are being attack. It doesn’t prevent terrorism. It doesn’t stop war. Unless the other person believes that you will fire first, it really doesn’t act as a deterrent. We are never going to fire first. Listening to Sunak, is he talking about the same country? And why if all of these ideas are so brilliant, where have they been over the last 14 years? Still banging on about £2000!

In which case NATO is buggered anyway. For the benefit of Whelk, this argument about nuclear weapons as a deterrent has been written by an intelligent person. https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/153_wilson.pdf

Russia has zero interest in invading the UK. We are more of a threat/target for Putin with nukes or US nukes on our soil. As for votes, the younger generations don’t have the same attachment to nuclear weapons and nuclear disarmament will become a bigger vote winner over time. We have seen what the Iron Dome can do with conventional missiles. Put the money towards a decent defence system so that we no longer become a target because we pose a nuclear threat. The NATO deterrent lies mostly with the US who have the numbers and the capability to worry Russia/China/North Korea. Does anyone really think that our contribution, that we struggle to fund and maintain, will be missed by NATO that much? If there is an escalation in the ground war in Europe we will need to provide conventional forces, not nukes.

And other Middle Eastern countries?

Me and many other very intelligent people it seems.

There is a huge difference to disarming and spending vast quantities of money on a weapons system that we will never us. We don’t have enough of what we need for conventional/modern warfare so why bother with nukes when we are always going to be a bit part player anyway? Despite huge piles of the things, it hasn’t stopped Putin as he knows damned well that we will never us them. It didn’t stop Argentina from invading the Falklands because they knew we would never use them. The whole deterrent argument is spurious and plays into Putin’s hands. He pretends that he is mad enough to use them so the West backs off. He knows we won’t use them first so he gradually and incrementally gets the land he wants. Not much of a deterrent if they don’t deter aggression in the first place. War is being waged in many different ways now and that is where we need to be spending our defence budget. We have nukes which won’t be fired but not enough tanks, soldiers, warships, planes, drones, cyber capabilities etc. Things that are needed and would be used. The notion that we are safer with nukes is risible. If there is to be a WW3 the first thing Putin would do is take out our nuclear capacity. This island would be ash before we laid a glove on Russia.

It doesn’t seem to deter people from attacking Israel. Russia and the US have enough warheads to destroy the planet several times over. We are small fry. As said, we can’t even feed our kids, fix our roads, run our hospitals, run our criminal justice system, build hi tech railways etc. but at least we can find billions of pounds to spend on nukes that we will never, ever use. Why does Putin give a shiny shit about us if he doesn’t about other NATO countries away from his borders? Because we have nukes. Without them we are of no interest to him.

So are the other NATO countries apart from France and the US.

We don’t know that though do we. Perhaps they would have used nukes first to wipe out Ukraines capability? Germany, Italy, Spain don’t feel the need to have nukes, why should we? I wouldn’t disarm right now but I would certainly run our capability down and not replace with new weapons.

We are not going to fire first. There won’t be much of the country left after a first strike if Putin is that way inclined. The money would be better spent on defence. Having nukes makes us more of a target. We can’t compete with the Russians when it comes to nuclear weapons. Proxy wars are still wars.

Has anyone explained to us yet why the many other NATO countries who don’t have nukes don’t have nukes? They must be crapping themselves every time Putin rattles his sabre. Remind me again just how many proxy wars have been fought since 1945.

Not good news. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/10/israel-hostage-deal-far-right-israeli-minister-signals-opposition

They aren’t lies. You made those comments about Muslims. I called you out at the time and I will continue to call you out as long as you deny the things you have said. I have suggested that we give it a rest so feel free to have the last word, but anyone who has been in this forum for any length of time will have seen what you have written. Just be be clear, people with centrist views who have mostly voted for the LibDems are mentalists? Ok.

Racism row kicking off over comments made by Tory candidate for Southend East Gavin Haran on X referring to Labour candidate Bayo Alaba. Reece S - Did you knock the coconut off? Gavin Harlan - I’m afraid to say that all coconuts remained intact. But I have a plan to ensure that at least one coconut is removed from its perch this year.

But it isn’t. You say your hatred of Muslims comes from their lack of British values. If you are telling us that all Muslims are opposed to homosexuality then there are some who we would consider to hold British values have the same alleged views. How do you feel about them? There are plenty of what you would call proper British people who don’t hold British values. What should we do with them? Send them to Rwanda too?

Reform Party not containing far right views? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909363/reform-uk-nazis-ian-gribbin/amp https://www.thenational.scot/news/24377367.reform-back-candidate-said-uk-neutral-hitler/ Reform standing by him apparently.

Of course he is. It is just that another poster was using this as a stick to beat all Muslims with whilst ignoring the same views by others who would consider themselves to be holders of British values. One in particular who has recently accused the PM of not understanding “our” culture.

Good to hear Ed Davey talk about Brexit and the Greens have the balls to be honest about their opinion too. The very large elephant in the room. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/10/brexit-shaped-hole-election-unreality-material-lives-voters

What do the Farage enablers and supporters think about this? https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20240605/282050512208259 https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/members-of-the-hartlepool-ahmadiyya-muslim-youth-association-amya-tidy-hartlepools-streets-on-new-years-day-4473802