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Yes I know. I feel dirty. 😳 So back to the debate. Both Rayner and Mordaunt seemed stiff and paralysed. It was the panelist’s who are in no danger of governing who spoke with more freedom. Only the Greens and the SNP brave enough to talk about the elephant in the room - Brexit

I have tried to hold this in for so long, but no longer. Phil Foden’s haircut.

Didn’t say anything outrageous? What about welcome to the benefits?

I don’t see the point of these debates before the manifestos are published.

It was going to happen one day hypo.

I suppose, given the law of averages, this had to happen eventually. I agree with Farage about something. Proportional Representation. Even though it will give his party a seat or two. I wish they would turn off the other microphones when someone is speaking. So irritating when they talk over each other. Mordant obviously told to keep repeating £2000. Hislop on HIGNFY just mentioned that the Tories have raised taxes by £13k. £2k seems like a bargain.

I doubt it. We are in an area that includes Tenterden and the Blue Rinse Brigade now. I think the incumbent Tory is going to be safe.

We talk about Arabs, Muslims and Islamists in generic terms too don’t we? As we do Russians, Ukrainians, Americans….

There are Jewish survivors of the Holocaust who make the same points in the same way.

Sod’s Law. There has been a boundary change where I live. We were previously in the constituency of Folkestone & Hythe which is now predicted to swing from the Tories to Labour. Our new costituency is Tory and it is predicted to be held. Bugger.

If Jeremy Corbyn goes through a proper investigative process and is found to be antisemtic I will be the first to congratulate you for being right. Read all three articles though and tell me that there is conclusive evidence that he is.

Good. But I doubt you will.

It is true though, from the Israeli government down to internet keyboard warriors. Only a few weeks ago the Israeli government was accusing the UN of antisemitism. These circular arguments are tiresome. I will say this for the last time. My view is and always has been that both Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights to live in peace, without interference from the other within secure, agreed boundaries. Both sides need to agree to be bound by international law and adhere to UN resolutions. Palestine should be recognised as a state in its own right by all and the state of Israel accepted by all. The fighting has to stop now and talks begin to work towards a resolution that will be acceptable to all. Both sides are responsible for where we are today and both sides have equal responsibility for finding an equitable and peaceful solution. I think most normal, rational people would agree with those points as being something that should be aspired to. I am not sure how that fits in with a raging, Jew hating, antisemitic agenda, but there you go. If you have polarised view you will only see it one way anyway. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2019/12/7/is-jeremy-corbyn-a-threat-to-british-jews https://unherd.com/2020/10/is-corbyn-really-an-anti-semite/ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-jeremy-corbyn-really-anti-semitic/

I have already said that he handled the antisemitic claims badly. He has Jewish constituents who say he is not antisemitic but believe what you want. We have already been told by Duckie that if you criticise Jewish people that makes you antisemitic. We know now too that if you are pro Palestinian you are antisemitic. The bottom line is you cannot say anything against this Israeli government and the conduct of their military with being labelled antisemitic. It is a Get Out Of Jail Free card but it has been overplayed and Netanyahu’s government and their actions are the reason more and more people are speaking out against them.

NO matter what happens, Delldays will post about the marvellous Farage performance, afterwards

I don’t think that Farage will find it so easy tonight. Rayner and Flynn don’t take prisoners. Hopefully this is the point where the election really takes off.

You got me there, but you know what I mean.

Maybe, but you would hope that his advertisers would tell him that it be a bad look to leave early. The more you think about it the stranger it becomes. His robotic response in his apology didn’t help.

Sunak has just said that his itinerary was set weeks ago before the election was called which means that he originally planned to come back from the D-Day activities early. What was he originally going to do instead of the last minute interview with ITV that he came back for? He is telling us not to politicise the situation. Why did he come back early? To film a political interview. He really isn’t very good at politics (or lying). The party must be thinking, as disastrous as ditching him before the election might have seemed earlier, they would have been better of doing so. Only the Mirror ran with the story today. How will the Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun deal with it tomorrow, if at all?

I am not holding all Jewish people responsible for the actions of Netanyahu, his government and his army and have said that there are plenty of Jewish people who do not agree with what is happening and support the Palestinians (not the extremist factions of course). I have made that perfectly clear throughout this thread. The principle is exactly the same as saying that Ukraine do not have the right to invade Russia and destroy its cities because Russia has done it to them. Would you accuse me of hating the whole population of the Ukraine? There is an issue here as Israel didn’t exist before 1948 so any mention of them before that refers to Jewish people. Later, after the creation of Israel, we defer to Israelis (who are predominately Jewish people). When we talk about generic international issues we usually talk about the country rather than the individuals making the decisions, hence Israeli Palestinian conflicts. Russia invading Ukraine. This continues to happen every day, the use of past events to try and diffuse and deflect criticism of actions now. I am just a random bloke on a football forum not explaining my opinion particularly well, but listen to the likes of Noam Chomsky who has a far greater insight into this than you and I. There are many deeply knowledgeable Jewish people who would also qualify as “antisemitic” because of their views.

That is criticism of the way the Israeli government and their army are acting. It isn’t endorsing the way that Jewish people have been treated over the ages and certainly doesn’t endorse the Holocaust as Farage did. The same would be true if the comment was directed at anybody else but as we know, we are not allowed to be critical of the Israeli government and their military. There are Jewish people who make the same point.

Spain joins the condemnation https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/6/6/spain-says-will-join-gaza-genocide-case-against-israel-at-icj

An example of real antisemitism https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-fascist-nazi-song-gas-them-all-ukip-brexit-schoolfriend-dulwich-college-a7185236.html

I’m more likely to appear on a list of unpopular voters. My vote goes to Trousers with an honourable mention to Master Bates for his avatar.

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