OldNick

A bit like Nostrodamus then.

lol,i assume they will then tell everyone God looks different on different days of the week.My memory of the Bible is scant but did he not make us in his image?

will religion be finished once it is proved once and for all we are not the only intelligent species in the Universe. Surely that would make religion null and void?

Iam surprised the9 has come up with that, i suspect his post was mis interpreted. If the home venue is not an issue why are home draws always wished for in cup competitions, why do players mention the atmosphere or how they dislike playing at certain grounds as the fans are close to the pitch etc. The9 is much younger than me and so may not have expereinced the Kop and Stretford end responsible for many dubious penalties, something that is often mentioned by ex-pro's etc. I have seen individuals/players/refs crumble when only a handful of people are screaming at them at local level, what 20,000 from the Kop must have be like! Even at the Dell I remember how Newcastle, we were losing with a couple of minutes to go when the announcer came on and declared that they should sit in the Archers. The Archers being as they were immedialtely got to their feet and starting to sing, it seemed to make the newcastlwe players turn to jelly. We went on and scored 3 goals in a few minutes. The same when Blackburn came to us when Osgood and co were in our team. Bailey the Blackburn had had 2 of our players sent off at their place and when they came back to the Dell the atmosphere was very hostile. The Blackburn players (apart from Bailey strangely enough) did not want to know. Iam sure we all can recall games where the fans made the opposition play poorly.

All true , but if the club had really wanted a 'end' they may have asked the architects to do something to suit. Newcastle put the away fans in the gods, I know q much bigger ground, but Iam sure that was done to reduce the away fans impact. i haven't seen your opinion on this, would you like a full end of singing fans who may increase the intimidation and atmosphere at home games? I accept you are correct regarding us not needing a full away allocation at OT etc

If he starts scoring they could well make a charge for the play-offs. He obviously is a goal scorer at that level.

you do yourself no favours when you are giving good points by doing your childish wording in an attempt to try and belittle. It seems Westender gets under your skin and you don't like debating and winning the debate with good reasoning. To me the main point is that we have an arbitrary rule that gives the away section bigger area than perhaps we would like if we wanted a Kop end. The ruling allows the bigger clubs to have an advantage. Yes it is unlikely that we would wish to take 7k to OT, but the fact that we can only have 5% of the capacity makes the potential of a more hostile atmosphere when we play at these grounds as well as the extra pressure on the ref. On a couple of occasions I have sat in the Chapel and you cannot hear the Northam as they are drowned out by the away section. Fans standing in the Northam may well believe they are out singing in volume the away fans but they don't. If we did have an 'end' of singing fans, do you think that would make a more hostile atmosphere for the opposing team and put extra pressure on the ref who may give us a few more decisions? I believe we would, I remember on a few occasions over the years where the Kop, Stretford end etc got dubious penalties due to the pressure the ref was under. All hypothectical now, but I wish the club had thought more about an 'end' when we moved to SMS, but I suspect Rupert didn't want the hobos all in one place to boo him lol

Ok, thanks for that. i suspect Steve put that in his original post and I missed it

well I thought they had to give 3000 tickets in the rules mentioned ealrier

It was good to see Muslim groups come out and condemn this attack. Perhaps this might unite rather than divide.I really hope so

Iam surprised that we have not sold our full allocation. Normally you can't get tickets for Man U away.

I dont think anybody is blaming the 1b muslims, but the ones in the community who hide them or fail to point them out to the authorities

by their silence they are supporting them.

yep, but until the community where they live or hide point out who we go for, it is difficult

of course not, why would i have the need to watch and rubberneck such an atrocity?

If i knew of a christian who had gone and did such a despicable crime i would let the authorities know who did it. Shame on me being a grass and not part of the gang. The odds are that the community know where and who these people are, so i assume they will be in Police custody today

why would you want to search the internet to see such an awful thing. Rubbernecking the death of somebody who has a family. Perhaps its a sad reflection on us in the West.

Mandaric selling Sheff Wed, perhaps he is going to return

As there are over a billion muslims surely they could gang up and route out the 1% of nutters

Religion should not be taught until you are 18.

depends on the best way to get information.Torture does not get quality intelligence as far as im aware and also causes terrible resentment.Knowing how to deal with this is going to be hell of a problem.

on my birth certificate or wedding licence only. If some christians, buddhists,,jews, atheists did the same i would condemn it. Any religious nutter is a danger of any faith. I have an odd outlook compared to liberals as i believe if you move out of following human decency/rights then you should not have them given back to you. by moving away from normal decency why should the same treatment be given back. No doubt this is just a faction of nutters but i suspect that there are people of their faith who shield them. they are as guilty as the perpertrators

i suspect they will melt away into the crowd. This is something that we are going to have to get used to. Any suspects who are questioned will be asked politely if they did it, and then allowed to walk after they say no 3 times. They will hide behind the Human Rights Act and laugh at our society

I would have thought it will be a natural reaction. I myself am tolerant of Islam but it is hard to keep that way when these barbaric acts are undertaken When they go around a city centre killing all and sundry perhaps you will also become concerned. It is not necessarily an Islam thing, but I dont see many of the people of that faith rising up and condemning or letting know the authorities who these people are.

that is sickening