OldNick

No the dual aim has not been met IMO. We have half of it at present. We have not spent the incoming money, we have allotted it that sometime in the future money will be spent amounting to 90m an open ended promise. That is of course not taking into account any other monies coming in. You are convinced/charmed/ by the words of RK, Iam not.

we are Celtic's Liverpool. Cant we find a few players from other teams?

yep, but the way it was played out in many peoples minds and on the day that we were going to spend big to replace. Like the Chancellors Budget, you get the words but the details come out a few days later ans see what you are really getting.

What are you on about? I have never questioned KL's right of not wanting to put more in or take her money out. It is easy to pull the wool over eyes of fans like yourself who have fallen for all that has come from RK LS in the last 6 months. Please let me know what RK has said in his interviews that has come to pass? Oh yes, Morgan will not be sold. Something that was quickly hashed up as the club was in meltdown. Please do not tell me that the transfer was not pulled at the last minute and was likely to go ahead until the stuff hit the fan.

No he didnt put a timescale, he was very clever in his wording. All part of the act, a clever operator, it is impressive. I admire how some fans are so calm in accepting how this has played out, lets wait and see how calm they are if things start to go pear shaped after the first 6 or so games.

Great, but patently at this moment in time only one thing has been done. The transfer in money has not been spent as per Kruegers words.If you believe that another 60 + million is going to be spent by us in the next 3 weeks I accept that, but I dont and personally feel the wool has been pulled over your eyes and you are being done a disservice. If in March Krueger had said, ok we are going to sell 5 of the best players for 90+m but we are going to replace with 30m and some loans you would like the rest of the fanbase be up in arms and perhaps think twice about paying higher S/T prices for this season. The playoff final is billed as the most valuable domestic game in the world, to win it you get untold fortunes, we were already in that club.

yep i dont think anyone is arguing against that. If it came to pass of course

exactly, on one hand he said we needed to steady the ship because of the financial situation and then he said we would spend every penny.

Fair point but it is not the intense week on week of the PL. I am happy to have him here,although I have only seen a couple of his performances, and a cameo for England where if I recall correctly he dived far too early to let the oppo score

Please show where it is a problem to me? I have consistantly said it is KL money and she can do what she likes with it, if she wishes to withdraw some that is fine, but do not have people mislead fans by telling them all the money is going to be spent, as that is not the case from where i am sitting. At this moment very little of what Krueger has said has come to pass. He is the Pied Piper of St Marys, he blows his little whistle and the members of Saintsweb just blindly follow. Apparently he was at a do last night and told people that there was to be a signing last night (I assume Taider , loan switch) and that there are a few this week. I will be delighted we have more bodies to fill the void of quality, but IMO loanees do not make me feel as good about things and it is hardly spending the money in. I was very much in favour of prudence and can live with it, but to be prudent whilst telling everybody you are spendthrift to get them to feel good and spend on S/T new shirts etc is plain wrong

if he said the roads were paved with gold many on here would believe him. He just is a firefighter and good at PR

KL is entitled to look after her inheritance but why then let her reps mislead the fanbase? If we are trying to steady the ship 'we will spend every penny on transfers and wages' does not follow. The blind faith in what Krueger says is quite amzing

I would prefer Marshall of Cardiff as he has proven himself in the PL

Krueger does not seem to be the type to use a false name on a forum. Iam 100% sure it is not him

thaat makes me feel a lot better if we have signed more than QPR, although deadline day Harry likes to keep his media profile up by having about 10 as the window closes and the Sky cameras are chasing to get pics of him

Samaras, as he doesnt ever pass to anyone in a better position.

In theory this could be the reason, but you have to buy into the fact that KL is prepared to risk a lot of her fortune. Personally i dont think she will. I do wonder how many of the believers also state we had reached the 'glass ceiling' You know where Iam in the debate but I respect your much greater knowledge of the FFP rules than I. Financially to make the club strong enough by replacing sales with players to keep you in the top 10, and all the TV money etc that would bring, is a better financial aim than rolling the dice in some warped game/fantasy of competing with the major clubs, and at the same time risking the PL status.

probably a better source than Krueger or Reed;)

No offence taken Polaroid, i know my faults. I look at things through my SFC specs. I do not get the FFP stance on this as, I do not believe the people in place have the same ambition that ML and NC had. Therefore I cant hold to the argument that we want to go through the glass ceiling. What they want to do is to put in place the concept of never getting relegated and developing youth players to be sold year on year. Chambers could not have been part of getting the wage structure right and the paln to evolve would have needed us to have players wanted by Man U Liverpool etc to pay the vast sums. I will accept i am missing some of the more unique parts of this plan, but the easy idiot guide to all this which Iam a fully paid up member, is that KL wants to get some of her inheritance out and so balance her risk has been reduced. The Liebherr way was always every business has to stand on its own feet, therefore balancing the books may be all this is.

I would love to inherit a NHL team but i would not have the love of the game as i would if it was SFC. My point of course is that i would not be devoted as I believe KL is not

Has anyone got images of the construction of Fratton Park? If so can we play them backwards so that we can have a happy ending.

I was talking about Hockey not your dancing on ice game. KL had no interest in football and I believe she has not much interest in it now. Yes she has vested interest but not the love of the game people do on here. Therefore if I took the ownership of a Hockey/Rugby club i would go along and see how the business was going along, enjoy the corporate entertainment and then go home and watch the football.

Doddery old fart I might be, but it is quite poignant that we have the anniversary of the First World War, what was the saying then? Lions let by Donkeys.Redsio gives an interesting side to the debate but your desperation for RK not to be misleading makes you grasp at straws. It was only a few weeks back that we had reached the glass ceiling, now all of a sudden we have sold the best of our squad, only a complete meltdown of the fanbase made the sale of MS stop. (surely the unrest would not have stopped their plan as that would have been part of the jig-saw for the FFP?) and now we have Baldricks cunnng plan wheeled out that we are selling the family silver so that we can afterall break the glass ceiling. IMHO it is a risky throw of the dice to bring in a load of loans to cover a very thin squad. The interview of RK stopped all turmoil instantly as he assured us that the money in would be spent. Overnight the lions were tamed and the Donkeys could graze in peace. (although some might be signed on loan) I do hope Koeman is aware of the complete strategy and is not losing confidence as he is at risk of losing his credibility if the team bombs. Rejoice we have won 5 friendlies (a pleasant surprise) but if the squad stays like it is the atmosphere at SMS will be pretty glum.

Clutching at straws, how clever of RK to get Man U and. Liverpool to want our players so that it would help the master plan. Nothing to do whatever with cashing out some of the investment. KL is not interested in football and just because she drapes a scarf around her head does not change the fact. I would be the same if I inherited a hockey team

Yep it would be good to pick and choose, thankfully Lovren and Wanyama were not loans