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Nail on head - success is rewarded disproportionately to failure. What to do about it? Now that is friggin difficult.

The situation of footballers is completely different. A footballer in negotiating his contract is effectively offering his services at a price. The club decides whether or not they think that price is worth paying for those services. This is the "free market" in operation - note I'm using the economist definition of "free market" that being a market where supply meets demand with an absence of barriers/impediments. Arguments about short careers etc are irrelevant. Footballers simply try to get rewarded as best as they can, clubs try to employ the talent as cheaply as they can. The price - wage - gets set as a result of competition between players and between clubs. The argument against CEOs is that their compensation all too often exceeds (by some margin) their talent i.e. the impact they have upon the companies for whom they work. This could be because those setting and advising on the levels of CEO pay and the CEOs themselves are all part of the same set (indirectly or directly) and have no interest in seeing overall levels of pay go down - this includes those acting for major shareholders who are also in the high pay club. Thus competirion to accurately match supply with demand is absent. CEOs and Directors earn 50x what they did in 1980s - are we as a country 50x more wealthy than the 80s? are indiviual companies 50x more valuable than in the 80s? I think we all know the answer to that.

What's that got to do with the question?

the public finding things interesting doesn't make them "in the public interest". I for one never buy tabloids so I'm certainly not interested in celebrity gossip so not guilty on the hypocritical front. I'm not sure what your comment about "illegal acts couldn't be hushed up" has got to do with anything. The sting that Coogan's complains about was related to a sexual relationship - nothing illegal there. And how is uncovering Coogan taking cocaine in the public interest? The ultimate hypocrites are the hacks that write this stuff - substance abuse, and no doubt infidelity, is rife in Fleet Street. Also Grant has always been really honest about that incident with the hooker. I don't think any of his complaints have been in relation to this.

Wouldn't consider going in the current political climate but out of interest is it difficult moving to/from the Occupied Territories?

forgot to mention David McGoldrick

Yep, how many of those listed below would you want instead of Lambert? Way better than Helgusson, Di Santo, Leon Best and Steve Morison, Simeon Jackson* I'm pretty sure better than Danny Graham, Jay Bothroyd, Grant Holt, Shola Ameobi, Connor Wickham (ignoring potential), Heskey, Ebanks Blake, Simon Cox*, Klasnic, Goodwillie, Connor Salmon. Arguably better than Jon Walters, Cameron Jerome, Jason Roberts, Kevin Doyle, Stephen Fletcher. *notwithstanding, could be a decent loan signing in January.

Yep scored a few crunch time pens for us, don't think he missed for us.

Didn't Mark Hughes score a "goal" at the Dell that rebounded straight back out and it was never given? The worst decision I can think of (not Saints) was the Watford "goal" that was given a season or two ago when the ball briefly cross the touchline about 5 yards the wrong side of the post.

From reading his twitter posts above I'd say he's trying to be polite but does find it annoying. The shoot the runner chant has gotta to worth a shout although I'm sure the speed chanting freaks in the Northam can completely butcher it.

Tarrico has always been a ****bag, remember him as a dirty and not particularly talented player when he was at Spurs. Could anyone work out what he was gesturing just after his red card? Was mouthing off to someone (chappers?) whilst rubbing the top of his leg .

Oh noes I'm white and I'm so discriminated against. I'm going to start another thread on an internet forum moaning about how whites get such a bum deal. Oh noes help us whites, its political correctness gone maaaad.

oooh get you.

There was a documentary on the beeb a year or so ago looking into why unemployment is high and yet thousands of foreigners are working in the UK. The focused on a farm in Lincolnshire that employed a lot of foreigners. They were all on slightly but not much above minimum wage and the employer remarked that no locals were employed because hardly any ever applied. They then cut to the nearest local town and interview a lad of about 20 moaning about the foreigners taking the jobs whilst stood outside the dole office swigging a can of Stella. When it was pointed that he could get a job at the farm he moaned that it wasn't the sort of work he was looking for. Having said that we need a benefits and tax systems that contains both a big carrot and big stick to get people into work.

I think Pompey are more of a liability than an asset to be honest.

Well certainly makes it more difficult to claim that foreigners only come to the UK to live off benefits.

If you're not doing anything wrong then the police have no reason to treat you like you are

If you don't take offence that's up to you, he's your mate after all. That doesn't mean that others shouldn't take offence if they're called something with a racial term. If someone of another colour who was my mate called me "white honky" as a joke then I wouldn't take offence either but then I live in a country in which I'm in the vast majority colour-wise, I've never been abused or discriminated against because I'm white and there is no history of me or my ancestors being victimised for being white. It's for me to see it as a joke but a bit different for others.

They go to Rio because he is a big "tweeter" so pretty much makes a comment on anything and everything - the journos don't even need to contact him.

I guess they're just referencing fact already established in court.

General ignorance and an inability to infer logic has never held Dune back before.

What like you've already respected the outcome of the inquest already held in court in which the jury decided it was a racially motivated attack? You have respected that right? In any case as I've pointed out frequently the defence will not dispute whether it was racially motivated they will simply deny that they were there. They're not going to say "m'Lud I plead not guilty to a charge or racially motivated murder but I do plead guilty to a murder not motivated by racism" are they. It won't be Brooks word against the defendents (I presume you meant defendents rather than attackers - or have you already decided that they're guilty?) as to whether they used racist language. The prosecution is based on forensic evidence that links the defendents directly to the scene, the defence will argue that the forensics are unreliable, whether it was racially motivated or not isn't going to be debated.

Again, they didn't hear or see the first contact between Brooks and Lawrence and the gang. Thus they didn't hear what was said when that contact happened. I know you're a bit slow but is that too complicated for you - are you aware that increasing one's distance to another person makes it more difficult to hear them?

So Brooks is a liar? Really only a racist would so beligerantly pursue this in the way you have done. At the start you said that it couldn't be considered a racist attack until the facts had been heard in court and then agreed as such by the jury. Evidence has been provided in this thread which shows that a court has already considered whether or not it was a racist attack and concluded that it was. Now you're up against it suddenly agreement by a jury in court isn't good enough for you anymore. In any case, as I've already suggested, I doubt the defence will contest that aspect as they will say they weren't involved at all. Your only hope that this wasn't racist is if Brooks changes his mind which is pretty unlikely given he's gone on record several times and said the same thing.

Again, they aren't "the key witnesses" they are SOME of the witnesses. And has been mentioned repeatedly they didn't see and hear all of events that night.