Echo raises fans Issue !

[eurosaint]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4632916.Why_are_some_fans_losing_patience_already_/?ref=rss

 

Sensible article showing proper support for Pardew IMHO !

[S-Clarke]

Fantastic article. Agree with every word written in it.

[Thedelldays]

Saints shouldn’t beat Yeovil because of the two clubs’ vastly differing histories, traditions and fanbases.

They should win because they have got a far bigger and far better squad, full of players who would walk into Championship teams.

 

agree with this 100% and this should apply with many league games this season..and nearly all home games..

[70's Mike]

Good article but am not sure how much real dissent about AP there has been, a few stay at home nutters who struggle to accept the reality of where we are and what we have become.

[Give it to Ron]

What makes me laugh is the way morons keep bringing up the Swindon game and dismiss all the improvements made since then!

 

Yes we should beat Yeovil.....Man Utd should of beaten us in 76!!!

Not everything is straightforward in football.

[chrisobee]

I have seen some ( not that many) messages/posts in various places suggesting Pardew should go. I do believe anyone who thinks that should be certified! Very good article though I suspect it's what most reasonable supporters would write themselves.

[Viking Warrior]

Its probably alpine having a moan as usual:)

[alpine_saint]

Its probably alpine having a moan as usual:)

 

I havent suggested he leave or be fired at all. I have however suggested some of the post-match comments have a banal Burley-esque ring about them, and that maybe team personnel changes havent gone far enough. I do not rate a couple of the players who seem to be amongst the first names on the team sheet. I also think his substitution strategy against Charlton was utter sh*te.

 

I still think he can do the business for us, but that a real reflection of how the season will pan out will come this Saturday.

 

It's a real shame about this site at the moment (and as it was last season at the start of the Dutch Golden Age) that a considered opinion gets met with a cacophony of abuse and p*ssing contents about how certain people's opinion is more valid than others as a direct relation of attendance.

[eurosaint]

Those who tend towards criticism at the moment seem to feel that it is better to question decisions and defend their 'right' to do so !

I would contend that it would be better for everyone to show absolute, 100% support for the new regime/players in order to cement a feeling of positivity and togetherness !

If AP and/or any of the players were to read some of the threads on here, I guess that their attitudes and levels of motivation would not improve !

After all that has happened in recent times, surely we can wholeheartedly unite behind the club, without reservation ?

Just this once, please..???

[Give it to Ron]

It's a real shame about this site at the moment (and as it was last season at the start of the Dutch Golden Age) that a considered opinion gets met with a cacophony of abuse and p*ssing contents about how certain people's opinion is more valid than others as a direct relation of attendance.

 

Thats fair enough but Alp you do yourself no favours at all with the way you change with the wind.

You went to the Birmingham game and I remember your quote " I can go back to Austria knowing we are heading in the right direction" as I echoed those sentiments that night.

However no less than 1 week later you had reverted back to the old whingeing whining by forecasting doom and gloom!

 

It will take time to get over the Dutch revolution and the problems that caused right throughout the club.

[Thedelldays]

Thats fair enough but Alp you do yourself no favours at all with the way you change with the wind.

You went to the Birmingham game and I remember your quote " I can go back to Austria knowing we are heading in the right direction" as I echoed those sentiments that night.

However no less than 1 week later you had reverted back to the old whingeing whining by forecasting doom and gloom!

 

It will take time to get over the Dutch revolution and the problems that caused right throughout the club.

 

this is stupid..are we not allowed to change our opinion as things unfold..ffs

[alpine_saint]

Those who tend towards criticism at the moment seem to feel that it is better to question decisions and defend their 'right' to do so !

I would contend that it would be better for everyone to show absolute, 100% support for the new regime/players in order to cement a feeling of positivity and togetherness !

If AP and/or any of the players were to read some of the threads on here, I guess that their attitudes and levels of motivation would not improve !

After all that has happened in recent times, surely we can wholeheartedly unite behind the club, without reservation ?

Just this once, please..???

 

Erm, no.

 

I cant speak for anyone else, but I reserve the right to call things as I see them.

 

This is a discussion site about SFC - what would you suggest you talk about otherwise ?

 

I find your call faintly disturbing, to be honest.

 

In both matches I attended so far this season, I was 100% right behind the team. But suggesting we stop people criticising performances, because the little luvs cannae take it, is daft.

Edited 16 September, 2009 by alpine_saint

[alpine_saint]

Thats fair enough but Alp you do yourself no favours at all with the way you change with the wind.

You went to the Birmingham game and I remember your quote " I can go back to Austria knowing we are heading in the right direction" as I echoed those sentiments that night.

However no less than 1 week later you had reverted back to the old whingeing whining by forecasting doom and gloom!

 

It will take time to get over the Dutch revolution and the problems that caused right throughout the club.

 

I still feel that the general direction is correct, but I like many others I am sure, am starting to feel an impatience at the inability to shake off the defeat/failure culture at the club.

 

I dont consider it a change of direction, nor changing with the wind. It is simply an update on my thoughts and (indirect) observations.

[St Marco]

Normally think The Echo is rubbish but have to say that is one of the best articles i have read and fully agree.

 

It is madness, pure madness that people are already starting to try and put the knife in.

I am not a Lowe fan, far from it, but he was right about there being a lunatic fringe. Thankfully this group of people only exist on internet forums and don't go to the games. Jeez could you imagine the atmosphere with a stadium full of those people? Would be a long que of people waiting to throw themselves off the bridge that evening that is for sure.

 

Since i am at the games and not listening to the radio what are they saying on there then? I can just imagine Merrington and Case saying how crap we are etc..

[alpine_saint]

I am wondering if some of you have read the full article.

 

Indeed, it starts off by criticising the fans calling for APs head, but at the end there are some subtle warnings about excuses are running thin and the Yeovil match represents a benchmark for the season.

[alpine_saint]

Normally think The Echo is rubbish but have to say that is one of the best articles i have read and fully agree.

 

It is madness, pure madness that people are already starting to try and put the knife in.

I am not a Lowe fan, far from it, but he was right about there being a lunatic fringe. Thankfully this group of people only exist on internet forums and don't go to the games. Jeez could you imagine the atmosphere with a stadium full of those people? Would be a long que of people waiting to throw themselves off the bridge that evening that is for sure.

 

Since i am at the games and not listening to the radio what are they saying on there then? I can just imagine Merrington and Case saying how crap we are etc..

 

 

Wow, a highly original point there from St. Marco....

[Thedelldays]

Normally think The Echo is rubbish but have to say that is one of the best articles i have read and fully agree.

 

It is madness, pure madness that people are already starting to try and put the knife in.

I am not a Lowe fan, far from it, but he was right about there being a lunatic fringe. Thankfully this group of people only exist on internet forums and don't go to the games. Jeez could you imagine the atmosphere with a stadium full of those people? Would be a long que of people waiting to throw themselves off the bridge that evening that is for sure.

 

Since i am at the games and not listening to the radio what are they saying on there then? I can just imagine Merrington and Case saying how crap we are etc..

 

but seriously..I reckon you will struggle to use the fingers on one hand to count the number of people (on here) who thinks pardew should go...seriously

 

for the past few weeks certain posters like to make up or dress up the that idea that other posters want pardew out..when that simply is not that case what so ever...this place is about discussion and after a poor game (we have had a couple this season) we disect tactics etc...it is what fans do and have done since the dawn of football..

 

yet some (why I dont knwo) dress that up as wanting pardew out...to me, THAT is more damaging..imo

[glkdcdes]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4632916.Why_are_some_fans_losing_patience_already_/?ref=rss

 

Sensible article showing proper support for Pardew IMHO !

 

I must admit i also was pleased to see the article as it articulated well my feelings about in reality maybe not more than half a dozen posters on here.I wont mention names as i suspect some of them actually seek the attention.

 

At the risk of having these posters slag me off again, i really do believe that any one slagging off any part of the new regime can only, politely be decribed as morons.

[CWD]

FANTASTIC article - supporting how most of us on here feel and challenging the moron minority. Best thing in the echo for ages

[alpine_saint]

FANTASTIC article - supporting how most of us on here feel and challenging the moron minority. Best thing in the echo for ages

 

I must admit i also was pleased to see the article as it articulated well my feelings about in reality maybe not more than half a dozen posters on here.I wont mention names as i suspect some of them actually seek the attention.

 

At the risk of having these posters slag me off again, i really do believe that any one slagging off any part of the new regime can only, politely be decribed as morons.

 

 

QED...

[St Marco]

but seriously..I reckon you will struggle to use the fingers on one hand to count the number of people (on here) who thinks pardew should go...seriously

 

for the past few weeks certain posters like to make up or dress up the that idea that other posters want pardew out..when that simply is not that case what so ever...this place is about discussion and after a poor game (we have had a couple this season) we disect tactics etc...it is what fans do and have done since the dawn of football..

 

yet some (why I dont knwo) dress that up as wanting pardew out...to me, THAT is more damaging..imo

 

No offence Delldays or Alpine

 

But you both say the same thing after every manager starts to do badly. It is about discussion as you say and you are rightly entitled to your opinion but i don't see it as an opinion more of a whine.

 

The difference is you highlight the things which are going bad but offer no alternatives to which might make them improove.

 

Rather then engage and offer those alternatives you just ***** about people who see different to you.

 

If you come up with something more constructive and show your view in a way that is acceptable then people will take it seriously.

 

But until then as i said before it is just madness to already be thinking along the lines you are thinking.

[Ponty]

Jesus guys, knock it off. Alpine's got the right to voice any opinion he likes, as long as it's not abusive or offensive. He also has the right to do so without being called, directly or indirectly, a moron. Besides, I've seen many positive posts from Alps this season. In fact most people who've been considered "negative" have had good to say as well as bad, and that's fair enough cos we're hardly setting the world on fire, are we?

[alpine_saint]

No offence Delldays or Alpine

 

But you both say the same thing after every manager starts to do badly. It is about discussion as you say and you are rightly entitled to your opinion but i don't see it as an opinion more of a whine.

 

The difference is you highlight the things which are going bad but offer no alternatives to which might make them improove.

 

Rather then engage and offer those alternatives you just ***** about people who see different to you.

 

If you come up with something more constructive and show your view in a way that is acceptable then people will take it seriously.

 

But until then as i said before it is just madness to already be thinking along the lines you are thinking.

 

COMPLETELY unfair.

 

I have made the point about a sports psychologist SEVERAL times.

 

I cant help if certain individuals like you rubbish or ignore our posts and every point in them by default

[alpine_saint]

And another thing.

 

Our players are slogging their guts out to create scoring opportunities at the moment. And it IS a real slog.

 

So how does it affect them if we get a hard-won corner to see it WASTED EVERY TIME by poor delivery ?

[Thedelldays]

No offence Delldays or Alpine

 

But you both say the same thing after every manager starts to do badly. It is about discussion as you say and you are rightly entitled to your opinion but i don't see it as an opinion more of a whine.

 

The difference is you highlight the things which are going bad but offer no alternatives to which might make them improove.

 

Rather then engage and offer those alternatives you just ***** about people who see different to you.

 

If you come up with something more constructive and show your view in a way that is acceptable then people will take it seriously.

 

But until then as i said before it is just madness to already be thinking along the lines you are thinking.

 

 

did not know to have an opinion you had to offer alternatives...?

 

I was both supportive of Jan and Wotte to the point of ridicule..

 

even you yourself, was the complete opposite against jan and the results (as some proved on another thread)

 

so thanks for the pep talk...and all that

[Give it to Ron]

this is stupid..are we not allowed to change our opinion as things unfold..ffs

 

As usual you ignore what was written ....how things unfold...what in a week!!

Read the post FFS!!

[krissyboy31]

And another thing.

 

Our players are slogging their guts out to create scoring opportunities at the moment. And it IS a real slog.

 

So how does it affect them if we get a hard-won corner to see it WASTED EVERY TIME by poor delivery ?

 

I agree with this but I don't see too many volunteers willing to take the responsibilty away from Lallana. Could be that he is truly the best option?

[Thedelldays]

As usual you ignore what was written ....how things unfold...what in a week!!

Read the post FFS!!

yes..you would be surprised how things change by the hour on a matchday on here

[alpine_saint]

I agree with this but I don't see too many volunteers willing to take the responsibilty away from Lallana. Could be that he is truly the best option?

 

I would answer that by saying if we cannot score our share of goals from set-pieces such as corner kicks, unlike the teams around us, then we are in REAL trouble.

[Legod Third Coming]

Those who tend towards criticism at the moment seem to feel that it is better to question decisions and defend their 'right' to do so !

I would contend that it would be better for everyone to show absolute, 100% support for the new regime/players in order to cement a feeling of positivity and togetherness !

If AP and/or any of the players were to read some of the threads on here, I guess that their attitudes and levels of motivation would not improve !

After all that has happened in recent times, surely we can wholeheartedly unite behind the club, without reservation ?

Just this once, please..???

 

Sadly, Dave, this is the way of the modern world. Those of us with a few more years behind us are looking forward to the ride back and can savour the experience! And I shall look forward to singing "Where were you when we were sh...?"

[dune]

Jesus guys, knock it off. Alpine's got the right to voice any opinion he likes, as long as it's not abusive or offensive. He also has the right to do so without being called, directly or indirectly, a moron. Besides, I've seen many positive posts from Alps this season. In fact most people who've been considered "negative" have had good to say as well as bad, and that's fair enough cos we're hardly setting the world on fire, are we?

 

I agree with this, and also agree with the article in that we should be beating Yeovil. They are sh1t.

[Give it to Ron]

yes..you would be surprised how things change by the hour on a matchday on here

 

well I wouldn't know as I am an uber fan and go to matches ;-)

[Thedelldays]

Sadly, Dave, this is the way of the modern world. Those of us with a few more years behind us are looking forward to the ride back and can savour the experience! And I shall look forward to singing "Where were you when we were sh...?"

you say that as if you ASSUME it will happen..?

[St Marco]

did not know to have an opinion you had to offer alternatives...?

 

I was both supportive of Jan and Wotte to the point of ridicule..

 

even you yourself, was the complete opposite against jan and the results (as some proved on another thread)

 

so thanks for the pep talk...and all that

 

The difference being even though i knew it was a dumb idea to put them in as managers i still backed them. Jan i supported until xmas.

It does not matter who was in charge they have to be given time. As mentioned in that article football has gone crazy due to everyone expecting success. If you don't win a game some people expect them to be fired. How can anyone build a team in that enviroment?

 

Comes a time when people need to look at their recent histories to see the quick fixes do not work. And if they do not work then try something else.

We as a team are playing well, just a matter of time before we start beating teams. The problem is the amounts of time we are willing to give is different.

 

and Alps i had not seen you suggest the sports psychologist. I do not think that will make much difference if people are looking for ways to bring them down. They are playing far more confidently then i can remember. If we have had a bit of luck, the right calls and been more clynical we would not even be talking about it. Eventually it will click, some expect that instantly and others don't.

[Thedelldays]

The difference being even though i knew it was a dumb idea to put them in as managers i still backed them. Jan i supported until xmas.

It does not matter who was in charge they have to be given time. As mentioned in that article football has gone crazy due to everyone expecting success. If you don't win a game some people expect them to be fired. How can anyone build a team in that enviroment?

 

Comes a time when people need to look at their recent histories to see the quick fixes do not work. And if they do not work then try something else.

We as a team are playing well, just a matter of time before we start beating teams. The problem is the amounts of time we are willing to give is different.

 

and Alps i had not seen you suggest the sports psychologist. I do not think that will make much difference if people are looking for ways to bring them down. They are playing far more confidently then i can remember. If we have had a bit of luck, the right calls and been more clynical we would not even be talking about it. Eventually it will click, some expect that instantly and others don't.

 

 

thanks for that..

[Saint_clark]

yes..you would be surprised how things change by the hour on a matchday on here

 

This is the point though Delldays. On here does not f*cking matter. The results we've been getting do not reflect the improvements that have been made.

As for an earlier point Alpine made about Pardew getting his substitutions wrong V Charlton, I wholeheartedly disagree. We spent the last 5 minutes in Charltons half, most of it within 25 yards of their goal.

We finished up with a point against the league leaders with a 100% win record - i'd say he got it spot on.

[Give it to Ron]

you say that as if you ASSUME it will happen..?

 

It will happen.....the consequences of it not are not worth thinking about.

Had that one incident in injury time not had happened at Stockport then things would not look so black as now.

 

We simply have to beat Yeovil otherwise this place will be be twinned with the Samaritans.

[Legod Third Coming]

And another thing.

 

Our players are slogging their guts out to create scoring opportunities at the moment. And it IS a real slog.

 

So how does it affect them if we get a hard-won corner to see it WASTED EVERY TIME by poor delivery ?

 

On your third point we agree, on your point about poor substitutions at Charlton you are wrong. To take a point off Charlton at home showed how far we have come. The substitutions SHOULD have delivered three points. Mellis WAS hauled over in the box.

 

Jaidi added a touch of class and WE (yes us not them) finished the game camped in their box!!!

 

So criticise away, but do it when it's deserved or you look a berk.

 

No-one with half an ounce of football knowledge could disagree that the corners this season thus far have been a dead loss!!

[Thedelldays]

It will happen.....the consequences of it not are not worth thinking about.

Had that one incident in injury time not had happened at Stockport then things would not look so black as now.

 

We simply have to beat Yeovil otherwise this place will be be twinned with the Samaritans.

ifs and ands..had crouchy put the ball out against everton we would still be in the premiership.....

 

in the real world....we are poor and (by all accounts) getting better...time to start winning and get rewards that this (expensive) team deserve

[Legod Third Coming]

you say that as if you ASSUME it will happen..?

 

When I see a bloke with the right bricks, dig the right foundations and can see a team of builders arriving and starting work I guess he's going to build a house...

 

You're right, they might be planning a ballet, but my money's on a house...

[krissyboy31]

I would answer that by saying if we cannot score our share of goals from set-pieces such as corner kicks, unlike the teams around us, then we are in REAL trouble.

 

But it isn't a new thing. I'd say we haven't managed our fair share since Le Tiss retired. Which is probably why we're in the position we're in.

[glkdcdes]

Jesus guys, knock it off. Alpine's got the right to voice any opinion he likes, as long as it's not abusive or offensive. He also has the right to do so without being called, directly or indirectly, a moron. Besides, I've seen many positive posts from Alps this season. In fact most people who've been considered "negative" have had good to say as well as bad, and that's fair enough cos we're hardly setting the world on fire, are we?

 

In my post earlier responding to the echo article and how i agreed with it as i personally dislike posters that i believe are more inclined to make knee jerk, negative, destructive comments i specifically did not mention names as we all know who they are etc. etc.

I would like to stand by my commnent and say directly or indirectly in the politest way that if any one on here really believes that slagging off our manager or any of the new regime that they are in my opinion are morons. Sorry to be strong but these people should be as hard on themselves as they are on all and sundry [although im sure they dont have the wit to look at them selves]

Its quite clear from the responses that it really is a minority of people that agree with knocking Pardew etc.

[Give it to Ron]

[quote=Thedelldays;450681

in the real world....we are poor and (by all accounts) getting better...time to start winning and get rewards that this (expensive) team deserve

 

....and the fans!!!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

When I see a bloke with the right bricks, dig the right foundations and can see a team of builders arriving and starting work I guess he's going to build a house...

 

You're right, they might be planning a ballet, but my money's on a house...

 

[saint_stevo]

I see the opinion police are out in force again.

 

Yawn

Edited 16 September, 2009 by saint_stevo

[Legod Third Coming]

 

hahahah! Nice one. But I think that house was destroyed by negative neighbours who bood all the way through the building process...

[CLOTH EARS]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4632916.Why_are_some_fans_losing_patience_already_/?ref=rss

 

Sensible article showing proper support for Pardew IMHO !

 

Agree 100%, Anyone who seriously wants Pardew out are simply out of their minds. THE LAST THING THIS CLUB NEEDS NOW IS YET ANOTHER CHANGE OF MANAGER!!! The fact of the matter is that the pre season games against Eastleigh, Totton, Bournemouth Cheltenham etc were meaningless because the majority of those players who played in those games were either not good enough or not ready for the rough and tumble of League One football. It was obvious to me that a new manager would have to bring in lots of new faces. Effectively our pre season started when we played Millwall and we are now at the stage where we are almost ready. We are simply a month behind all the other teams in League One with the added burden of a 10 point deduction. We will be OK. I would soon expect Saints to put a good run of results together. We will hopefully be out of the bottom 4 by Christmas and in the top half by the end of the season. Next season I believe the fans will have the right to moan if after 7 games we still haven't won a game. At this moment in time we need the fans 100% behind Pardew and the players.

 

COME ON YOU SAINTS!!!

[sadoldgit]

I am wondering if some of you have read the full article.

 

Indeed, it starts off by criticising the fans calling for APs head, but at the end there are some subtle warnings about excuses are running thin and the Yeovil match represents a benchmark for the season.

 

Blimey Alpine, for the second time ever I agree with you!

 

What made me laugh was it said all the right things through most of the article but right at the end said that questions should be asked if we don't beat Yeovil???

 

Surely if we are supposed to support him because it is still early today the same could be said come Saturday evening?

[saint_stevo]

so, has the season started yet then? Or is that when we win a game?

[sadoldgit]

COMPLETELY unfair.

 

I have made the point about a sports psychologist SEVERAL times.

 

I cant help if certain individuals like you rubbish or ignore our posts and every point in them by default

 

But you slagged off Woodward Alpine, or was that because it was a Lowe appointment?