Pilchards Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 (edited) I watched closely the way we played on Saturday and it reminded me of the very first training session AP did at Saints. He wants the ball down the flanks into open space where Lallana or Papa would either beat there man to cross/square it for the on rushing midfielders or they cut the ball back for Harding/Murty to either cross it in, Sometimes they play it inside the centre to Hammond or Morgan if they have not made a run. That's our only style which operates only on a 4-5-1 formation. Did Brighton suss us out or something? Discuss please as I love in depth footy talk. Edited 30 November, 2009 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Brighton was a freak result. Their's was probably the best performance by a visiting side this season (although Naaaarwhich were probably the best visting side overall). They caught us on an off day and were highly motivated to perform that night. Business as usual now though. IMHO, we have such a strong squad that, even though we play a fairly simple system, it works for us as other sides don't have the quality to counter it (even if they have sussed us out). Naaarwich, Leeds and maybe Charlton/Huddersfield are the only other teams with that sort of power and quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 we did not have the right players last season to suit, but imo we look better with lambert upfront on his own with papa and al on the flanks. where does this leave connolly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 We must continue to play to Lamberts strengths above all whilst he is in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I watched closely the way we played on Saturday and it reminded me of the very first training session AP did at Saints. He wants the ball down the flanks into open space where Lallana or Papa would either beat there man to cross/square it for the on rushing midfielders or they cut the ball back for Harding/Murty to either cross it in, Sometimes they play it inside the centre to Hammond or Morgan if they have not made a run. That's our only style which operates only on a 4-5-1 formation. Did Brighton suss us out or something? Discuss please as I love in depth footy talk. I got roasted on here by daring to suggest Orient managed to do the same thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 That's our only style which operates only on a 4-5-1 formation. Did Brighton suss us out or something? We played 4-4-2 against Brighton didn't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 November, 2009 We must continue to play to Lamberts strengths above all whilst he is in form. But are we at the moment because 70% of the time the centre backs often hoof it anywhere expecting him to control it when it's 15 feet over his head. The poor guy is chasing lost causes so often, gotta admit though if you give him the ball on the decks from 25 yards out he looks dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 we did not have the right players last season to suit, but imo we look better with lambert upfront on his own with papa and al on the flanks. where does this leave connolly? On the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 We played 4-4-2 against Brighton didn't we? Yep. Started with Lambert and Connolly, plus Antonio in for Papa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Brighton - never recovered from Jaidi deciding to try and raise his ageing leg to stop that cross rather than a simple header away. Midfield overrun. They played well to impress new jug eared manager. Davis in goal to increase hesitancy/stasis in gap between defence and keeper, which all managers now know about. They exploited this too. Still, AP's style - if it is his only one - is working ok, I'd say. Would still like to see new central defender and back up keeper or replacement for Bart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Well, Brighton did not cope with our attacking style much better than anybody else. We finished poorly. But they did push a little, quick man between Jaidi and Trotters and got them turning - result = disaster. Jaidi is a bit of a liability mobility-wise and may not be the answer we hoped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2008 Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 we did not have the right players last season to suit, but imo we look better with lambert upfront on his own with papa and al on the flanks. where does this leave connolly? On the bench as a super-sub. Always the option of going 4-4-2 if things aren't working. Pardew is a legend in waiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2008 Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 On the bench. Note to self: read whole post b4 posting reply...:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I got roasted on here by daring to suggest Orient managed to do the same thing.... Mainly because you were talking b*ll*cks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I don't think we can under estimate what Lambert offers us. He really is the key as everything goes through him and in my opinion it wasn't a coincedence that we didn't get going against Brighton when he was suffering from flu (of course our back 4 letting the ball bounce every time they hit it forward didn't help). I've been impressed with Connolly but think we're better off playing Rickie as the target with the 2 wide men playing off him. The only thing he lacks is a turn of pace but if he had that he wouldn't be playing fur us and would be at a club in the Prem, even so, we can get away with him not having much pace as 2 wide lads provide it. When it clicks, the front 3 are close to unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I got roasted on here by daring to suggest Orient managed to do the same thing.... Mainly because Orient very definitely didn't suss us out. They scored one decent goal and only broke into our half a couple of times in the second half, one of which lead to an own goal. For the remainder of the match we controlled play and possession and were almost constantly on the attack. It was just one of those days when we couldn't get the final ball right to create a clear opening until Rickie did his thing just before the end. As for Brighton, I'd say 9 of our staring team had an off day, which is going to happen every so often. We tried to play the sort of game that the OP describes but they were a bit sharper than us and beat us with a counter attacking game that they played well. We look more prone to attack from fast attacks as we haven't got the pace in defence to recover if we get turned. It hasn't happened much this season, mainly because the defecne have worked well as a unit, but against Brighton they just didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Mainly because you were talking b*ll*cks As usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I got roasted on here by daring to suggest Orient managed to do the same thing.... That's because you were completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I got roasted on here by daring to suggest Orient managed to do the same thing.... Orient got a lucky draw though. Brighton beat us fair and square. If you'd have said nothing after the Orient game and then made that comment after the Brighton game, people would have agreed with you because you would have made sense. You were knee-jerking after the Orient game, that's why you got roasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Orient made chimps out of us for a large portion of that game. Deal with it, happy-clappers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Londoner Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 The Orient game was one of the most one sided I've ever been to; didn't we have something like 25 shots to their 2 ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 We played 4-4-2 against Brighton, and they basically raised their game 100% against us. New manager too, plus small rivalry involved. They go their tactics spot on, in my eyes the main reasons we lost were poor final ball (except for young Lloyd who's crossing was very good) and also Lambert could not win anything that night. We just didn't seem able to change our tactics, nothing on the deck just all hoof ball. Against the 'Dons we were able to mix it up and bit, as we did against Charlton a few nights before, but we failed against Brighton. It was an off game IMO. As for Connelly, if the 4-5-1 is working, which it was, then don't change it, if it leaves Connelly on the bench so be it. If i was a manager i would work with the philosophy of tactics first and players to fit in, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Orient made chimps out of us for a large portion of that game. Deal with it, happy-clappers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Orient made chimps out of us for a large portion of that game. Deal with it, happy-clappers. Did they? How do you know? Didn't we have 17 shots to their 5 or something like that? You're being ridiculous, sorry, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 +1!! No doubt he'll try to have an argument with me now for disagreeing with him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Orient made chimps out of us for a large portion of that game. Deal with it, happy-clappers. Is it easy commenting on the game in the snowy mountains then ?? We finished poorly against Leyton that is all, we dominated the game. FFS, even against Brighton we at times seemed unstoppable, we just could not find a decent final ball, finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Shots on target Leyton Orient 2 Southampton 9 Shots off target Leyton Orient 4 Southampton 8 Corners Leyton Orient 5 Southampton 13 They sure did give us a tactical masterclass. I long for the day when we can tactically wallop someone to the extent that the we manage two shots on target (one of which was in the first minute). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Orient made chimps out of us for a large portion of that game. Deal with it, happy-clappers. Just when I had begun to waiver from my belief that you actually a rare comic genius rather than the fool many people think, you give me the biggest laugh for some time on here to reaffirm it. Thanks. :smt043 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I'm sure Pilchards was hoping this thread would go this way. Well done alpine. Back on point i think the simple thing is buying better players than the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I think our achilles heel is lack of pace at the back, whatever formation we play. Against teams with pace or who move the ball around quickly (e.g Brighton and Norwich) we have sometimes struggled a bit. Although Orient were a little fortunate on the balance of play, Jaidi got isolated against Orient's pacy winger, which led to the og. Brighton made our two CB's look ponderous at times. In retrospect it would have made sense to have played 4-5-1 against them to at least try to protect the back four. I'd like to see a pacy CB brought in in January but such players are like gold dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I think our achilles heel is lack of pace at the back, whatever formation we play. Against teams with pace or who move the ball around quickly (e.g Brighton and Norwich) we have sometimes struggled a bit. Although Orient were a little fortunate on the balance of play, Jaidi got isolated against Orient's pacy winger, which led to the og. Brighton made our two CB's look ponderous at times. In retrospect it would have made sense to have played 4-5-1 against them to at least try to protect the back four. I'd like to see a pacy CB brought in in January but such players are like gold dust. IMO by next season we will see two, if not three new players in our back line anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 We finished poorly against Leyton that is all, we dominated the game. FFS, even against Brighton we at times seemed unstoppable, we just could not find a decent final ball, finish. What a load of wishy-washy codswallop. Finishing and putting the ball in the net is an integral part of the game, not some sort of f**king garnish. You win a game by scoring GOALS, not by playing loads of tippy-tappy posession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Did they? How do you know? Didn't we have 17 shots to their 5 or something like that? You're being ridiculous, sorry, but it's true. So, you reckon we won the game in some sort of moralistic manner by a scoreline of 17-5. Daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 What a load of wishy-washy codswallop. Finishing and putting the ball in the net is an integral part of the game, not some sort of f**king garnish. You win a game by scoring GOALS, not by playing loads of tippy-tappy posession. Yep and we've been scoring PLENTY, so what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 What a load of wishy-washy codswallop. Finishing and putting the ball in the net is an integral part of the game, not some sort of f**king garnish. You win a game by scoring GOALS, not by playing loads of tippy-tappy posession. Your favourite phrases seem to be that and "pretty little triangles". Let me tell you we do not play this way - we play direct. Leyton Orient were very lucky, and even their fans admitted it after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 So, you reckon we won the game in some sort of moralistic manner by a scoreline of 17-5. Daft. And we got absolutely battered and they made us look like chimps did they? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: There's only one daft person on this thread, and I think everyone knows who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Yep and we've been scoring PLENTY, so what's the problem? Erm, how about the fact we've been conceeding a lot too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 And we got absolutely battered and they made us look like chimps did they? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: There's only one daft person on this thread, and I think everyone knows who it is. Where did I say they "battered" us ? I may be perceived as daft, but at least I am not illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Where did I say they "battered" us ? I may be perceived as daft, but at least I am not illiterate. Explain to us exactly what you meant by "made us look like chimps" then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Where did I say they "battered" us ? I may be perceived as daft, but at least I am not illiterate. Well what else would they have done if they made us look like chimps?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Explain to us exactly what you meant by "made us look like chimps" then. They went about the game with an intent, enthusiasm, energy and came within about 6 or 7 minutes of taking all 3 points, despite our expensive, "talented" and glamourous (for this league) team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Erm, how about the fact we've been conceeding a lot too ? Err, scoring a lot more than conceding. 3 points is 3 points is 3 points. I don't care how we win as long as we do. And we've won a lot of games recently. Why not concentrate on how many we've won rather than the draw and the loss we have had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 They went about the game with an intent, enthusiasm, energy and came within about 6 or 7 minutes of taking all 3 points, despite our expensive, "talented" and glamourous (for this league) team. Ah - so we didn't have intent, enthusiasm or energy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 They went about the game with an intent, enthusiasm, energy and came within about 6 or 7 minutes of taking all 3 points, despite our expensive, "talented" and glamourous (for this league) team. Wow you really do hate SFC don't you. All you do is diss them. You don't have to support SFC if it hurts you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Ah - so we didn't have intent, enthusiasm or energy? I think we went through a bit of a flat spell recently. Something definitely knocked Trotman off his stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Wow you really do hate SFC don't you. All you do is diss them. You don't have to support SFC if it hurts you so much. Here we go again. Anything not gushingly positive about SFC consitutes hatred. Barking...:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 I think we went through a bit of a flat spell recently. Something definitely knocked Trotman off his stride. If we're still talking about the Orient game, it might be the fact he played the full 90 minutes with concussion after their player headbutted THROUGH Trotman to get to the ball. As for going through a flat spell, just check out one of Nicks fantastic threads about recent results. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to set you straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Here we go again. Anything not gushingly positive about SFC consitutes hatred. Barking...:rolleyes: Anything not negative and boring constitutes "happy clappy" Barking...:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 If we're still talking about the Orient game, it might be the fact he played the full 90 minutes with concussion after their player headbutted THROUGH Trotman to get to the ball. As for going through a flat spell, just check out one of Nicks fantastic threads about recent results. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to set you straight. Are you going through rehab or something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 30 November, 2009 Share Posted 30 November, 2009 Come on Alps, give us another! How about telling us how lucky Spurs were to get all 3 points against Wigan last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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